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QuarkXPress 8 to take dead aim at Adobe CS3?

updated 04:05 pm EDT, Tue May 13, 2008

QuarkXPress 8 vs. CS3?

Quark is preparing a new version of QuarkXPress for this August, and is deliberately looking to one-up Adobe's Creative Suite, according to inside sources for AppleInsider. QuarkXPress 8 is, for instance, expected not only to take advantage of InDesign's continuing instability under Mac OS X Leopard, but to expand support for Illustrator and Photoshop files, and implement standardized Bézier pen tools that may reduce any need for Illustrator in publishing.

To reduce dependence on Photoshop, a new "Picture Content Tool" should allow users to perform basic scaling, cropping and rotation functions on photos. The software is even said to be capable of Flash authoring, so that SWF files can implemented in web layouts.

In an effort to bolster extra adoption, Quark is said to be planning a free upgrade for any purchase of QuarkXPress 7 between May 1st and August 1st. Users of Quark's software are claimed to often linger with older software, particularly as Adobe's InDesign is available for "free" alongside Creative Suite 3.

by MacNN Staff



  1. testudo

    Joined: Dec 1969



    You mean they're deliberately trying to out-do a competitor? That's a strange thing for a company to do.

  1. jreades

    Joined: Dec 1969


    The war is over, we lost

    Sorry, couldn't resist a Battlestar Galactica reference...

    Anyway, time was that I used Quark 3.x and 4.x and it was a good application. Beat the pants off of ID 1.x and, at a stretch, 2.x. I liked the Xtensions and the Xtags (great for exporting a database of corporate users and generating business cards in 3 easy steps), and I still sometimes try to use Quark shortcuts in InDesign out of habit.

    But as I recall it was something like 3 or 4 years between Quark 6 and 7, the first OS X native release. I simply lost interest when I had to keep firing up OS9 just to run Quark, though I know that some print shops stuck it out simply because that's how they were set up.

    I can't help but feel that the one-time leader of the print/press world is now pretty much always going to play catch-up since there seem to be comparatively few people left with much invested in Quark. Presumably the odd print shop that refused to go over to Adobe.

    Of course, I could be wrong and would welcome insight from anyone (still) in the field.

  1. kdogg73

    Joined: Dec 1969


    Too late

    Quark had the DTP world by the nads. Unless you completely duplicate every feature InDesign CS3 has, it won't stand a chance. Face it, Quark sucks.

  1. Omek

    Joined: Dec 1969


    Yes, how odd...

    I'm an Indesign user and don't really want to learn Quark. It seems like they just keep dragging on... hopefully they'll go down the tubes soon.

  1. eldarkus

    Joined: Dec 1969


    it will never...

    ...replace Photoshop or Illustrator in any way. This is just like a multi-function Printer, scanner, fax, toaster... it does each one ok but will always pale in comparison to the real things...

  1. Monde

    Joined: Dec 1969


    Quark was it

    Quark was a lot like MS. They, for a while, where the center of the design software universe. Thing is, their CEO was, to be kind, a doofus. Massive layoffs where the reward for Quark software engineers after the last release. Top that with the extraordinarily long time it took for Quark to embrace OSX on which most page design is done, and there you have it-karmic payback.

    Quark was okay, but has been massively eclipsed by CS3, which has become the current professional publishing standard for most medias.

    The short sightedness of this company's leadership is what did it in. Oh yeah-that karma thing too.

  1. jcatma61

    Joined: Dec 1969



    Not so sad. I remember how snotty they were to Mac users -- their enterprise users, no less -- when we called them on the instability of 4.0.

    Quark is history. But let's face it. None of this matters for what we'll have available in a few years. .net products like the Creator Server engine, which no one has heard of, will rule by then. You'll be doing your design in a browser.

  1. Schatz

    Joined: Dec 1969


    Indesign & Leopard

    Is ID3 really unstable under Leoprd or are they just regurgitating a Quark press release? Honest question....


  1. bloggerblog

    Joined: Dec 1969



    I'm not sure about being unstable, but ID does have some annoying bugs such as: Option MouseClick on the desktop does not hide ID, but next time you click back on your ID window it might hide you ID app for good. The only way out of this is quitting or force-quitting and re-launching ID.

    Quark had some serious attitude and ego issues no one liked them, and I'm glad they're getting stumped. On the other hand, ID needs a legitimate competitor.

  1. UberFu

    Joined: Dec 1969


    teh problem w/ Quark...

    doing this - their next App version - is that the "functionality" they mention by incorporating Illustration and Photo Editability first:

    InDesign Already does this for both types of Apps_

    Secondly - neither InDesign or Quark [no matter what Quark spits out next] are geared up to be All-In-One Apps on that level_

    As a Graphic Designer I need to have full and complete control and ability to alter anything and everything I want to about a Photo or Illustration - not just color correction or adding a drop shadow_

    Even Apps like Lightroom and Aperture are not suitable for mainstream Design Work-flows - but Adobe and Apple got it right and built niche products for Photographers who don't really ned the full power of Photoshop_

    Whatever Quark does in the upcoming version - it will not replace Photoshop or Illustrator outright anytime soon_

    The best it could hope for is to go up against the likes of Corel's CorelDraw Graphics Suite - that is basically what the Quark blurb is talking about here_

    But no way at this point in the game will they upset Adobe's dominance and position in the DTP Market_

    There were 2 change overs - OS 9 to OS X and PPC to Intel_

    Adobe was aware of this [as was Quark] but Adobe prepped by scrapping their out-dated title [PageMaker] in favor of developing a groundup App [InDesign]_ Incorporated a seamless work flow across it's product line - which when you buy Quark - they don't make Illustration or Photo Editing Software - Adobe migrated quickly to PDF output - which Quark still needed to hack a 3rd party plug-in as their favored method of output thru v7 was to Collect for Output_ Which compiles numerous files and after which you still need another 3rd party App to Pre-Flight the files_ InDesign did this all in the same App and on the fly

    Quark missed the boat during the 2 transitions
    Even tho Adobe spent almost too much time transitioniing from PPC to Intel - they did it right and did it the first time_ Quark v5 - v6 - v7 were all bad copies of v4.x_ v5 we saw them eliminate many built in features and migrate those to plug-in status that you had to purchase for $200± a pop_ v6 should have been the transition to OS X but it wasn't and their excuse was that they were too far into development on the v6 product to migrate to OS X at that time_ This was BS seeing as how before they released v5 [meaning they we still developing v5] OS X was released_ So according to their own logic Quark works on 2 versions of it's software at one time but delays releases for blocks up to 5 or 6 years at a time? I call shenanigans on Quark for that

    Anyway - Adobe was looking far enough down the path to take the lead that Quark held for nearly 15 years
    And by pushing print Houses to uultimately migrate to PDF output instead of the old fashioned Collect for Output [and make sure you have every single scrap of non-sense contained in the collection] - you export a PDF that contains it all for you and ONLY what you absolutely need to reproduce the visuals for final output

    CS3 has become the penacle of integrated software titles - rivaling that of Apple's own Final Cut Studio - even tho they are different markets
    So if Quark plans on integrating Photoshop and illusttrator compatibilty or abilities - they are already behind the curve as they have to make their stuff compatibel and seamless with their rivals Apps

    They'll never catch up
    But they could very well pull a Micro$oft and buy some 3rd party company that already makes Illsutration and Photo Editing Software and incorporate the technology - good luck with that_

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