So Jobs doesn't like either version of Flash. So, he is just not going to support it at all. Lovely, Steve, lovely.

Honestly, what do people want to use Flash for besides looking at videos? I'd rather Adobe stick in a new Flash version the option to embed an alternative H.264 stream which the iPhone can play already.

Anyone thinking that Flash for the iPhone will let you play games is foolish!

I want pandora!

I am not sure what I would do with an iphone or itouch without flash. A few youtube videos and the videos on Apple is about all the video is it's good for. I can wait it out.

Some flavor of Flash could also be useful for the near future of handheld smartphones-- realtime videoconferencing.

Of course we gotta get Steve to swivel that camera around... Apple had that kind of problem with the inverted Apple logo on Powerbooks. It's okay, they fixed it.

True you shouldn't need flash to surf the web but face it you don't have control over web developers. There are sites which are Flash driven. Should they be? Often times no. Should the developer have made a non-flash version? Yes, but it doesn't mean they did. I don't think that not having Flash on a mobile device is alarming except for the fact that Apple touts it as being the "real" web. Well, the real web has Flash so it can't really be the real web. Keep in mind that Flash is sometimes used in more behind the scenes stuff that you may not ever notice visually either. There are multiple file uploaders (not sure if you can even upload on an iPhone anyway - mine is in the mail). Another thing I've seen lately are methods of implementing COMET (reverse AJAX) using Flash to do the talking since it is less prone to memory leaks and crashing your browser. A web developer should plan for graceful degradation but come on this is the real world and I'd be willing to bet that over 90% of sites don't degrade nicely (I'm probably being conservative). Once I get my iPhone, I plan on building up a list of iPhone versions of web sites that I frequent which obviously wouldn't use Flash. The iPhone formatted sites create a much more pleasurable experience, just like my Windows Mobile sites did back when I used WM5. However if the iPhone insists on saying it has the real web then it really should be able support Flash.

Blame MacNN. Originally Steve said that the flash light is feature-incomplete, and full blown flash is too slow for the iPhone.

Personally I don't want to see ad banners on Mobile Safari, the major bulk of flash data out there, and don't care about lame flash "games". As for video conferencing, if you want the slowest and the least effective implementation of it, yep you would use flash as an environment.

Yes! Pandora! Not to mention The FuMP! Flash is a useful tool if it's used right and it's stupid that it's not on the iPhone.

Jobs is sometimes a moron. How long did it take him to see that the iTouch and iPhone could be a great gaming platform to take on Nintendo? Why no SLi for the MacPro? Because Jobs does not do anything with Apple products but sell them. I want to have Flash lite. I might switch it off like I do on my PSP. But I want it. That's all Jobs needs to know. Thanks for my iPhone now bug off and let me put any software I want on MY phone. Remember how long it took him to allow ringtones? Then allow us to make our own ones for free? Not as long as it has taken him to allow an SDK but the point is still valid. Jobs is losing his touch excuse the pun. Android is but a few months away.

To add to this, customers of mine use a lot of flash files for presentations and lectures.