"So apple "steals" the idea from Watson, then basically let's it die a slow death. "

Oh give me a break! Can we let this go.

Apple supposedly "stole" from Watson, but where do you think Watson came from? Karelia stole from Apple to make Watson, so stop with the BS.

I installed Leopard on Friday, and Sherlock is still sitting right where I left it in Tiger. Granted, I don't use it often but I do use it!

http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=303137

http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?path=Mac/10.5/en/11511.html

I agree with you about the informing people about missing features. Apple does a horrible job with that. Moreover, there really is no reason to kill Classic support on the OS especially if I already have Classic installed.

However, Apple didn't steal Watson by making Sherlock. It came out with Sherlock first. The maker of Watson liked the application and built a better more feature rich version of it. That is always risky because you have to assume Apple itself is going to improve Sherlock eventually. With the next release of OSX, Apple did improve Sherlock.

YOu write, "So apple "steals" the idea from Watson, then basically let's it die a slow death.

The worst part of this, to go along with the killing of the 'Classic' environment, is Apple's just plain distaste for customer relations. How hard is it to put on the OS X page "These features of Tiger are no longer available...". But rather than admit they're throwing software away, they just discontinue it without any knowledge and hope no one notices.

And people think that Apple is ready to get into the enterprise market. Not with this type of lack-of-information-flow."

We still had Sherlock in Tiger?

Started it up for the first time in years and all i saw was a small collection of widgets linked to a search field. Not going to miss it.

What's Sherlock?

Oh, you mean that thing in OS8/9 that was kind of an internet search box that served live ads in the bottom of the window? Fortunately someone had an app that blocked the ads. I don't remember the last time I was even aware of Sherlock - several years ago.

"Do you think MS could get away with just 'not supporting' older software and not mentioning it? No. "

They are doing just that with Vista and IE7. We don't use either at our company because of compatibility issues.

I really would expect this to go away, but the poor implementation of the new movie widget just does not work for me. In fact my zip code comes back as invalid. I admit that I only used sherlock occasionally but it was really useful to find movies in my area. But this has not been reproduced in the Dashboard. I would like to see Apple at least restore the complete functionality with a better movie widget. I also thought Sherlock was better at finding places of business and people than there respective widgets. I am really annoyed that they killed the implementation of this tool completely.

Oh well I will just have to call the movie theaters like I did before I knew of sherlock.

thedude

Subpop and testudo, My point about testudo being an unhappy investor wasn't directed specifically at his comments in this thread, but at his constant, ongoing whining here. I have no problem with criticism, as long as it's constructive. Otherwise, as is often the case with testudo, it comes across simply as bitching. Some of his complaints may be perfectly valid, but because ALL he does here is criticize, he is easily dismissed by most MacNN readers. Fanboys aside, most of us here are open to reasonable and balanced critique of Apple.

Yes, Trevj, but Testudo's constant complaining balances out the constant cheering by the every thing APple does even if it vomits on your head is great crowd.

And all along I've been under the naive impression that two wrongs DOESN'T make a right. So one extremist view deserves another, does it?

Killing Sherlock is a way to keep the OS clean. I never used Sherlock. With Spotlight I could find everything I ever needed.

If you want to stock pile up old software and bloat up your machine, check out Vista. It's just like XP, but with more c***. You can even make it look like the old OS!!! And Paint is still the same!!!

You're not up to your usual caliber of posting today...maybe you should take a day off.

The writing has been on the wall for getting rid of Classic support. Apple has supported it far longer than I expected them to. Maintaining that legacy compatibility with an old OS that shares nothing in common with OS X anymore (now that Leopard has replaced legacy system services with unified stuff) was just a drain on Apple engineering resources. It was given a good burial, and it faded out quietly. Let it rest. You're really reaching if you have to b**** about OS 9 compatibility (or Sherlock for that matter).

"Do you think MS could get away with just 'not supporting' older software and not mentioning it? No. "

They are doing just that with Vista and IE7. We don't use either at our company because of compatibility issues.

And look at the c*** they're taking from that. That's the point! Mac users just take whatever they get and are happy. Windows users actually demand MORE from their OS. That may be why its bloatware, but at least they're trying to satisfy the user, not their own egos.

I still remember the days when Sherlock was being pushed heavily in OS 9.

In OS X, the unusual thing was that it still existed, but wasn't being promoted at all, which I found to be rather odd (this was before widgets came into existence).

And it was a bit disconcerting b/c I was used to finding things in Sherlock, and yet, here was spotlight and then the new widget functionality. Apple pushed that with nary a mention of Sherlock.

I found it funny that in Tiger, that Sherlock was amazingly enough still in there, but unused, unloved, and almost completely forgotten except as an afterthought.

Check and see if you have a Movies widget in your user ~/Library/Widgets folder, that you installed before Leopard. If so delete it, and Dashboard will use the newly installed one at /Library/Widgets, which will work.

-mpm