it's amazing the hatred PC fanboys have for us Mac users.

It all rolls off my back... it's kinda like how people hate others for being beautiful or for being rich. It's pure envy. It's a natural human reaction... only, you can do something about being stuck with a crappy PC at yer house!

well, yeah but you get three upgrades of OS X in four years and each of them is worth the money

VERSUS

one upgrade of Winblows which is quite questionable in its worth.

Technically both are questionable in their worth. Leopard has a few 'nifty' features, but all in all not something to be left drooling over. As it is, its only taken 6 years and 5 versions of users PLEADING with Apple to Fix the f'ing Finder for them to actually make it work in a manner befitting OS X.

But it will be interesting to see what new 'features' Apple decides are now part of an Operating System, vice third-party apps. Apple has to be careful, since OS X has reached a maturity where fixing the thing and selling it as a 'new version' is no longer an option, and thus left with what others do, add new 'must-have features'. The biggest concern is not bloating the thing up.

Of course, it woudl be better to get free update of OS X instead of buying new OS every year, but in now way Microsoft current OS is better than Apple offering. Free updates are far from enough.

It isn't that M$ has poor developers. They actually have some of the brightest talent I've ever met in my life. The fact that m$ has trouble writing good code relies 100% on management. They try to be so legacy that it turns into a cat and mouse game of which line will break which support. They seriously need to scrap a ton of code and start over if they ever want to be as good as an OS as X. They need to start by firing most of the management... starting at the VERY top.

Vista was a good first step at scrapping a lot of code (supposedly most of it was rewritten). And what did it bring them? Lot's of scorn from their current users because "It doesn't run my existing software!" and "My printer no longer works!". Most of the issues people have with vista is all about compatibility. But that doesn't stop the MS haters from bashing them for doing exactly what Apple does all the time.

Mac users are so used to an OS breaking their apps they just accept it (or get called out for being cheap because they won't upgrade). I was thinking of getting Leopard for my tower, but I still have occassion to run a couple of Classic apps, and has been mentioned before, Apple has decided to scrap classic in Leopard (but I'm sure there was a good technical reason, not just Apple scrapping it to get rid of one of the last non-Next vestiges left in OS X).

Just ordered Leopard, though for bootcamp and predictive Japanese only. I use Windows XP and soon Vista Ultimate when my HP Blackbird 002 finally lands.

I do not intend to upgrade our Mac's for another year or so as Apple's quality control is now worse than our Dell's. Hard to imagine but true for me. Intel Macs have actually increased the amount we spend on MS products. It also reminded me of how slow Tiger is compared to XP. Also the RAM constrictions of XP which seem so laughable actually make Adobe and others produce mean and lean code by comparison to the bloatware for OSX.

That's why Apple hardware runs Vista faster than everyone else.

I hope Leopard will be as fast as XP. I know about the speed software tests but for daily use I only get spinning wheels on my MacBookPro using Tiger. Windows XP unleashes the real power of Apple hardware. Shame about the MagSafe.

I am a longtime Apple customer. Now I also use XP and have bought Dell and HP products. Thanks Jobs for opening my eyes.!

...is shockingly faster than tiger, for those who are curious. that is all.

Testudo is ridiculous.

As usual, dismissing a Testudo post simply because Testudo wrote it is ridiculous.

How is 6 years of FTFF not a significant black mark? How is the risk of alienating third-party developers (as the core OS matures and Apple adds more peripheral improvements) not a concern?

Pre-requisistes to working for MS = genetically DUMB!

Prerequisite to working for Microsoft: genetically inclined towards anticompetitive bundling, sabotage, proprietization/pollution of open standards, IP theft, cheating, stealing, price-gouging and other assorted criminality.

That is partially correct, however Windows also had the same problems. I bought a software for my Windows computer that claims it is compatible with Win 98. Well the software did not run on 98, I had to get 98e! So I went on to MS's website to look for the updater to take me from 98 to 98e, there wasn't one, I actually had to buy the upgrade. Something like this would've been in the Software-Updater.

Many programs had compatibility issues with new versions of OSX because of Apple's incomplete SDK, with 10.4 this issue was supposedly resolved.

I think one of the reasons OSX is efficient is because of 'old code' scrapping. A move which only Jobs was able to do, none of the previous CEOs had the encephalon or guts to do.

Tiger came out April 29th, 2005, about two and a half years ago. I hope the wait was worth it in terms of usability, speed and stability.

Oh, and while I did read TFA, I didn't see a quote where Steve Jobs refers to a decade of products, so not sure what the headline means.

Leopard took 2 1/2 years and Jubs says "12-18 months?"

THAT tells me 10.6 will arrive by the end of '08. AND that it will be Intel only. 15 million PPC machines that HAVE to be upgraded, oh how the stockholders will love that....frak the folks who own those machines.

Curious why I heard nothing about ditching Classic in Leopard until the last 2-3 days.

"Getting what you pay for" doesn't explain the success of GNU/Linux:

I decided to get my updates for free, and I switched my daughter's eMac to Linux. It was finally clear that I wouldn't need to keep upgrading hardware to keep the minimum required.

Not the solution for everyone, but I like the freedom and ability to