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Report: Apple has no women at the top

updated 06:25 pm EDT, Wed October 17, 2007

Few women execs at Apple

Apple is among many of the largest public companies headquartered in California cited for having very few women in top executive roles by a study conducted at UC Davis. The study found that 122 of the 400 surveyed companies -- 30.5 percent -- listed no women executives or board members in their annual reports to the Securities and Exchange Commission. According to the study, overall, women held only 10.4 percent of board seats and executive positions. Top executives are defined as those listed as members of the companies' executive teams in their SEC filings: the CEO or president, chief financial officer, chief information officer and chief operating officer, etc. [Via Science Daily]

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rjwill246
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10/17, 06:48pm | report spam | close Reply |
Excellent news

The paucity of women means nothing. Apple's team is great-- adding women in upper positions would make it better?? Hardly, unless you insist on being PC and thus deplorably demented, taking fluff over substance because that risks changing the currently successful formula just for the sake of change.

I much prefer that the working model stays intact.

numero
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10/17, 07:00pm | report spam | close Reply |
So what

Does having women or not having women matter? How about measuring the qualifications of the people.

Two additional comments:

1) They used to have one, but you have to ask the SEC how she's doing.

2) Have you been to any tech gathering? I'm specifically thinking about WWDC, but there are other examples. This is the only large gathering I have ever been to where the women's restroom had no line and the men's had a line around the corner. There are not that many women in tech so there aren't that many to pick from for leadership positions. Before I get some line about, "Any good business woman . . ." I'll have you think about John Sculley. A tech company should have someone with a tech background. There just aren't that many candidates to pick from.

ZinkDifferent
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10/17, 07:01pm | report spam | close Reply |
here we go...

... Let's wait for testudo to start the usual whining...

Agree with above poster, there's nothing wrong with the existing, successful, model - and let's face it, without sounding stereotypical, Apple is a tech/gadget company. Women may be attracted to their products, but not many design, market, or envision them.

Also, this observation was about large CA companies in gwneal, not just about Apple, as macnn implies. I'd be interested in comparisons between companies who do and who don't have women in top positions, and what difference it makes. My guess - no difference at all.

Jonathan-Tanya
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10/17, 08:09pm | report spam | close Reply |
Don't care at all

Women get well over half of college degree's and men have been dehumanized for so many years...they are targetted from the time they are children, that the situation only gets worse and worse. The feminist response? They say, so what. They say, hey its only a problem when some rare thing favors men, but when it favors women, WELL NOW, we cannot get upset about that...

So I say...SO WHAT. UC Davis, why don't you do something productive with your time.

Jonathan-Tanya
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10/17, 08:12pm | report spam | close Reply |
p.s. UC Davis

Why doesn't UC Davis do a study about how many men win custody of their children.

There is a target for affirmative action, if ever there was one.

Mr. Strat
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10/17, 08:42pm | report spam | close Reply |
Who Gives A s***?

What the h*** difference does it make that Apple has no female execs? Why don't you do-good politically correct liberals go poke your noses in somewhere else that it doesn't belong?

JackWebb
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10/17, 09:34pm | report spam | close Reply |
Freedom is wrong?

Someone at UC Davis is apparently drawing attention to this to point out something they think is wrong which isn't necessarily wrong.

It's not much unlike looking at a board of execs and deciding that people not losing their hair are underrepresented or people with brown eyes are underrepresented, or whatever else you can come up with that you define as being unequal.

As others have pointed out. Isn't it possible that less women are interested in the particular things of certain companies and therefore haven't pursued the cooperate ladder in these particular companies?

JackWebb
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10/17, 09:41pm | report spam | close Reply |
I hate typos

Too much wine & not enough coffee tonight. "cooperate" should have been "corporate".

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10/17, 10:23pm | report spam | close Reply | delete
article wrong

I am pretty sure the article isn't even correct. If you look at:

http://www.apple.com/pr/contacts/

The VP listed at the top of the page sounds like a woman. That's at least one...

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10/17, 10:29pm | report spam | close Reply | delete
hmm

Oh I guess they are only counting CEO, CFO, CIO, and COO.. oh well, I guess they are right.

jarod
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10/17, 11:04pm | report spam | close Reply |
The real value

of a woman has always been in the kitchen anyhow :-) (Jarod ducks...)

elroth
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10/18, 12:54am | report spam | close Reply |
not so fast

Hey all you rednecks, think a little. The report is stating the facts, not criticizing Apple.

Within any individual company there may be many reasons (or just circumstance) for having no women at the top. However, looking at the number of companies with no women even on the board, it suggests to me a problem - men are uncomfortable with women in positions of authority (just look at the responses to this thread and you can see that).

As far as technology goes, remember the women tech writers (internet bloggers) who were threatened and harassed out of their jobs. It's not that women aren't interested in tech, it's more that men in tech don't want and won't accept women.

sixcolors
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10/18, 02:02am | report spam | close Reply |
Women can't manage

women are incapable of being good executives... Anyone remember HP with a woman at the top...? That worked out great :P

Unless the woman is Margaret Thatcher, she isn't a leader!

Feathers
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10/18, 05:13am | report spam | close Reply |
newsflash...

...new research has shown that exactly zero, that is, not a single male tech executive has given birth in the fiscal year ending October 31st. This grossly irresponsible attitude to the perpetuation of the species reflects a singular lack of interest on the part of male tech executives to reproduce those who might ultimately challenge them for their jobs. It is symptomatic of an obvious corporate desire to preserve the status quo...newsflash ends...out of cheese error...!

UberFu
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10/18, 08:42am | report spam | close Reply |
um...

In general - UC Davis' report is kind of positive if ONLY 30.5% of companies do not have women in executive positions_ Thta means 69.5% of companies have some woman in a high position_

@elroth HOWEVER - the opening line leaves the impression that they are blasting Apple for NOT having a female on the board or in a high position within Apple_ It's not always about what something says - it's about the impression that something leaves behind_

Otherwise - Why did they single Apple out in the batch of 30.5%? Why not name one of the other companies in the 30.5% group? 'Cuase Apple is high profile right now - makes them an easy target and plenty of readers are likely dismiss reality and scream equal oportunity and affirmitive action_

But - then the flip side is that there are many companies out there that are run by women - who have women in almost every executive position in their company and on the "board" [according to UC Davis] - shouldn't we start singling them out and demand that they have some men in top position in their company and on the board of directors too - BECAUSE - it's only "fair" ??

BullShit !!

We should leave those companies alone to run things the way they see fit_ That's why it's called private industry_ Just as we should leave Apple alone to allow them to run their company as they see fit_ If a qualified applicant comes along for a top position - who is female - I would hope they give her due consideration for the job - but that's it_

No one should be hired because of their gender or race or all the other "politically correct" epitaphs - they should be hired because theya re the more qualified person for the job and they are a good fit for the company_

hayesk
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10/18, 11:24am | report spam | close Reply |
Who cares?

Apple had women in executive positions before, and they will again.

This is another corellation vs. causation argument. Unless someone can find a sexist reason there are no women execs at the top in Apple, there's nothing to complain about.

testudo
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10/18, 01:57pm | report spam | close Reply |
Woohoo!

... Let's wait for testudo to start the usual whining...

Well, you asked for it, you get it! And before I go on, I just like to say I like my women on top.

Does having women or not having women matter? How about measuring the qualifications of the people.

If only they used this model on the Board, maybe we wouldn't be stuck with Bill "I can be on Apple's board but do a crappy job of supporting apple as a company" Campbell or the good ol' days of Larry "AWOL" Ellison.

Otherwise - Why did they single Apple out in the batch of 30.5%? Why not name one of the other companies in the 30.5% group? 'Cuase Apple is high profile right now - makes them an easy target and plenty of readers are likely dismiss reality and scream equal oportunity and affirmitive action_

Read the report. They did NOT single out Apple (MacNN did, but maybe that's because they're all about Apple, and this kind of story gets you all worked up). There was mentions about other companies as well. In fact, do a search, and Apple's name shows up twice in the article. Once on the title and once in the content (as one of several listed).

While looking at one or two companies and saying "They must be sexist, there's no woman in power!" is wrong, its also wrong to just dismiss the report. There may be reasons why there's no women on Apple's boards, but looking at the big picture might give some credence or concern to the difficulty's of fully qualified women breaking into the top ranks for no other reason then s**.

Also keep in mind its an article, not the study. The study's not going out of its way to hack on Apple. The article brought that up.

Keep in mind that the study was done by "UC Davis and the Forum for Women Entrepreneurs and Executives", for those of you trying to figure out why UC Davis is getting into this. That's why its focused on one thing (Men vs. women) vice anything else (like complaining about the all-white look of apple's board).

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Report: Apple has no women at the top

updated 06:25 pm EDT, Wed October 17, 2007

Few women execs at Apple

Excellent news

So what

here we go...

Don't care at all

p.s. UC Davis

Who Gives A s***?

Freedom is wrong?

I hate typos

article wrong

hmm

The real value

not so fast

Women can't manage

newsflash...

um...

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Excellent news

So what

here we go...

Don't care at all

p.s. UC Davis

Who Gives A s***?

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I hate typos

article wrong

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not so fast

Women can't manage

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um...

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