you really are an idiot, or a sociopathic liar, or both. your g5 won't be able to run bootcamp. it never could and it never will.

The Apple web store says, in more than one place, "TO ARRIVE ON OCT 26TH", so it'll ship a fews before that. That's why I ordered mine from the store rather than drive to the nearest Apple sore (which isn't very near at all).

I have been reading the comments on MacNN for a while now ( close to a year ), i have not posted a reply before now, but you... You have inspired me to write, i mean, can you really be this dense, you are a hater, yet you never seem to give a specific reason as to why you hate the mac platform, is it because you cant afford one and yet secretly you crave them? I cannot fathom your logic nor your reasons.

You are ignorant and obviously biased, are you on pay from some Big Software company that makes an OS?

le me just say to you, I despise your point of view, i loathe your comments and i wish you never came to this forum ever again.

Unfortunately i cant do nothing about you, or your views. I will try my best to ignore your inflammatory comments and go back to skipping over anything that comes from you.

....feeling better after your morning dump?

I just preordered Leopard for $69 via the institutional store. The discount is still there, but more discounts seem to be smaller for individual orders. This was an order for university-owned computers, though.

what schools are you in? my school is showing $116.00

Indeed i am!

I for one am glad to see that the iChat screen sharing has returned. It was gone from the description for awhile there. This is going to make supporting my family and friends so much easier (well, I'm hopeful anyway).

that's because testudo was dropped as a baby. he claims to own a g5 yet constantly bashes apple and its users. he claims to present points-of-view from the other side yet he only does it to present apple in a negative way.

like one poster said, testudo is a constant contrarian. the best way to handle nitwits like him is to ignore him. and if you can't do that, just reply with some nonsensical comment (give him a taste of his own medicine).

I'm one of the most vocal testudo critics, but I don't mind his opinions. Here he just stated his views, I got no problem with that.

It's when he starts quoting every frickin poster before him then starts his belittling routine that rubs the wrong way.

He can be annoying but when he steers clear of the holier than thou bs and his all posters here have Apple up their backend routine I can brook his views.

And yes, that's probably the ONLY time you'll hear me defend him. Why? Because it's not often he posts without attacking. In fact, we'll probably not see it again anytime soon!

Now that Apple has an actual release date, does the nondisclosure still apply until the product is actually shipping?

Seems like a lot (some? a couple things? something?) of neat stuff that people should know, hasn't been disclosed yet.

Some folks could be in for a shock, while most folks might not even notice. Perhaps the folks that might be shocked should have the information so that they might make a smooth transition?..

... no one here is discussing the ROCKIES!!!!

Thank you - totally awesome.

Here is a link to a page describing, in moderate detail, what the "new" features are:

http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/300.html

It says little to nothing of what specific existing features have changed significantly from a management standpoint, and what has been removed entirely...

For instance, it does report SMB signing has been added to the existing SMB feature, but doesn't mention NetInfo Manager at all.

...get back on topic.

Now thta you can preorder Leopard, i have a question, i plan on being on Orlando during the week of octuber 28 - November 4, would you suggest i preorder the box or try my luck at the stores in Orlando ?

Does anyone know if the disc will be made of dangerous chemicals? Oh who am I kidding I'm going to lick it and/or eat it anyways. Good bye iPhone, goodbye 10.5, hello payday!!

Now thta you can preorder Leopard, i have a question, i plan on being on Orlando during the week of octuber 28 - November 4, would you suggest i preorder the box or try my luck at the stores in Orlando ?

If you want to make sure you get it by the 28th, I'd stick to getting it in orlando. You can never be sure when Apple gets their stuff to their customers. Sometimes its a day or two early, sometimes a day or two late.

you really are an idiot, or a sociopathic liar, or both. your g5 won't be able to run bootcamp. it never could and it never will.

Where did I say I was installing Bootcamp on a G5?

that's because testudo was dropped as a baby. he claims to own a g5 yet constantly bashes apple and its users. he claims to present points-of-view from the other side yet he only does it to present apple in a negative way.

Actually, I own a G5, iBook G3, MacBook Pro (which I CAN install Boot Camp on, in case you're wondering), Beige G3, PMac 7100, a IIsi, a Classic II, a Classic, a MacSE30 (custom painted black), a FatMac 512, and an original 128K (with signatures on the inside of the case). So, for some reason, I feel I have a reason to be here.

As for points of view from the other side, keep in mind that 99% of the posts here just slurp Apple without regard to any actual logic or reason (you know the type, "Someone's suing Apple? They should all be killed!" kind of posts). So the other side would generally be negative towards apple, wouldn't it?

And all of this, BTW, has been said because I was criticizing MacNN's choices for exciting new features Leopard will bring us.

May i suggest that, based on my own perspective, what most people complain about your posts is that you come across the PC Users that want to smear any kind of news from Apple, and although i don't drink the Jobs cool-aid i firmly believe that apple is a better offering than any of the alternatives. Now if you could express your point of views without coming across as confrontational, perhaps your opinions would be considered more valid.

Nice collection you've got there Testudo!

[quote]OMG, STACKED dock icons! Now, for those who loathe the dock, more to loathe about it![/quote]

perhaps, but for the 90% that find the Dock useful, this is one of the best new features. It makes accessing the content of a folder in the Dock so much quicker (it pops up instantly, no more delay as the content is read like it is now when you right-click a folder in the Dock)

[quote]And CoverFlow in the Finder! Yes! Because we spend all our time in the Finder wanting to search for a file, know exactly what it looks like! Great for all those papers that have the same title page![/quote]

Different task can require different methods. Browsing a folder with a bunch of images and movie clips is quite nice with the cover-flow mode. It's a bit gimmicky, but most users will find the occasional use for it.

[quote]And, get this! You can run Boot Camp WITHOUT A SEPARATE DOWNLOAD! Now that's a feature worth paying for! Me, I've been holding off on this boot camp stuff because the whole separate download just confused me! (Of course, this "feature" isn't really a "feature" since you can't get Boot Camp any other way).[/quote]

Get this! You can now run Boot Camp WITHOUT SHUTTING DOWN YOUR MAC! Select restart in Windows, and your Mac is put into a hibernating state while you are in Windows. Restart to OS X and everything is as you left it. Not downloadable, but could be useful, no?

[quote]My big question on Spaces is whether you can separate different windows of an app to different "spaces" (so I can have 3 browser windows in one space, but open another one in another space), or is it App-specific.[/quote]

You can bring up the spaces screen and drag any window to any space from there, so what you want is perfectly feasible. Personally, I've always found any kind of virtual desktop solution to interfere with my workflow. This is one of the new features I won't be using, but I think Apple has done a good job in creating a simple yet flexible solution here.

.. generally worthless responses from testudo.

.. generally worthwhile features in Leopard, especially to be appreciated by those of us that actually understand what's going on.

"run boot camp WITHOUT SHUTTING DOWN YOUR MAC!"

I'm afraid we're all gonna need a link for that one, bub. Where did you get this information?

http://www.amazon.com/Apple-Mac-Version-10-5-Leopard/dp/B000FK88JK?ie=UTF8&s=software&qid=1192562120&sr=8-1

that should've read 'without shutting down OS X' (The Mac puts OS X in save sleep/hibernate mode, then restarts into Windows. When you restart from Windows, it's like waking up your Mac, with everything running as you left it)

This was a feature present in earlier versions, and described on Apple's own website, but it seems to have disappeared, allegedly over concerns of accessing the Mac drive from Windows (OS X would have no way of knowing about this)

sorry for the confusion, hopefully Apple can find a way to make this feature work at some point.