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Apple honors Al Gore's Nobel prize win

updated 05:00 pm EDT, Fri October 12, 2007

Apple honors Gore

Apple is paying tribute to Al Gore's shared win of the Nobel Peace Prize today with a message posted to its home page that reads: "Al has put his heart and soul, and much of his life during the past several years, into alerting and educating us all on the climate crisis. We are bursting with pride for Al and this historic recognition of his global contributions." Gore was chosen to share the award with the United Nations Panel on climate change, in part for his efforts on the Oscar-winning film "An Inconvenient Truth," which was produced using Apple's Keynote presentation software.

At a press conference reacting to the award, Gore said "It is the most dangerous problem we have ever faced, but it is also the greatest opportunity we have ever had to make changes. This is a chance to elevate global consciousness about the challenges we now face."

Al Gore joined Apple's board of directors in 2003 and likely played some part in the Cupertino-based company's recent decision to reveal its environmental policies and plans for the future. Gore also led the committee that investigated Apple's recent stock options scandal, clearing all current Apple management of any wrongdoing.

Gore's win has incited a push for encouragement to run in the '08 presidential election. In a May TIME Magazine interview, Apple CEO Steve Jobs said "If he ran, there's no question in my mind that he would be elected. But I think there's a question in his mind, perhaps because the pain of the last election runs a lot deeper than he lets most of us see."

The former Vice President has repeatedly said that he would rather pursue change on social and environmental issues from a private rather than political position.

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jogdish
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guarantee

I guarantee you that ten years from now global warming will have been completely forgotten and we will be freaking out about something else that will be causing our imminent demise.

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Won't Last That Long.

I don't think the hype will last past the election.

This just in... Mars and Venus are warming up at similar rates to the Earth. Those darn Americans are polluting our universe...

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Congratulations

to President Gore.

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this just in

jogdish and jameshays proud to be ignoramuses!

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Counterpoint...

...as an architect advocating 'design with climate' for upwards of 20 years, I can only suggest that so much of what we do makes so little 'common' sense, it is indeed gratifying to see public consciousness raised on this issue...

Apple technology for me holds an even bigger promise in resource conservation with features such as iChat, conveniently enabling the possibility of a reduction in physical commuting - Frank Lloyd Wright's 'Garden City' perhaps more logistically enabled...

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Even if he is wrong . .

Even if he is wrong (and I don't think he is) we can make ourselves a self sufficient energy producing country and tell the Middle East to suck air.

Oh yeah in other news: NEVER FORGET THE ARMENIAN GENOCIDE!!!! Turkey get over it, it is in the record books.

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Oh Jeezus!!

Apple really needs to stay out of politics. Al Gore is a lying hypocrit. I wouldn't be surprised if this alienates many of Apple's more conservative customers. Global warming isn't a crisis. It's a phenomenon that NO ONE as successfully PROVEN. Right now, it is merely a concensus between scientists. There can never be consensus in science. Science deals with facts.... NOT consensus.

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re oh jeezus

Hey howie, your hero Rush Limpballs uses Macs, but I'd be perfectly happy if all you conservatards went over to S***** PCs. FOAD.

climacs
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facts?

howie, you wouldn't know a fact if it bit you in the arse. Consensus comes about in science, due to the FACTS.

How about you tell us next how evolution is a great big fat conspiracy? I could use another laugh at your expense.

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call the waaaahmbulance

for our wrong-wing friends, whose heads are exploding because Al Gore chose to use his post-political career for the good of mankind.

You want your favorite GOP politicians to win some Nobel prizes? Then tell the Republicans to quit s******* our Constitution, quit starting wars and torturing people, quit spending our nation into bankruptcy, quit having s** in public bathrooms, quit the homo-bashing, quit being the most corrupt politicians the nation's ever seen...

well h***, if the Republicans quit all that, they'd have nothing left to do. Maybe they could then start being decent human beings who are worthy of being recognized as such, like Al Gore.

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Zoom!

If Gore and Jobs stop zipping around in their private jets, destroy their multiple mansions and move into more modest dwellings of the type the rest of us live in, then maybe I'll take them seriously.

But that'll never happen so we'll be talking about global cooling after they pass on.

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why would

conservatives be upset at taking a more conservative approach to U.S. energy policy?

Why would conservatives be upset about conserving resources?

Seems like a name change is in order.

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what the h*** is Bush

going to do when he's no longer president? He's already told us... he's going to make lots of money giving speeches, and he's going to open a (hahahaha) "think-tank" for spreading democracy and freedom... just like he's been doing in America (oops, nevermind), Iraq (oops, nevermind), Afghanistan (oops, nevermind), Sudan (oops, nevermind), Uzbekistan (oops, nevermind), and China (oops, nevermind).

The best I can say about whatever Bush's post-presidency career will be, is that he'll be able to do a lot less damage to humanity than he is now.

If there were an 'anti-Nobel' prize, Bush has certainly earned it several times over.

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gore is a hypocrite!

he hypocritically exhales carbon dioxide every time he breathes!!!!111ONE!11!ONE!!!

jesus christ, Republicans are stupid.

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Puhleeze!

Bottom line, Algore is an elitist who refuses to do what he wants to force the rest of us to do and all for an unproven, highly suspect theory. Man made global warming aka "climate change" is is a hypothesis, a weak one at that, nothing more.

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idiots galore!

wow look at all the climate change deniers who come out of the woodwork!

I'm really glad Al Gore got under your skin, gskibum3. Global climate change is very real and only ignorant Americans can deny it. The scientific consensus is overwhelming. The anecdotal stories among people who actually are witnessing climate change before their very eyes can't be denied.

Your favorite Republicans could win Nobel prizes too, if they were capable of doing anything for the benefit of mankind. Unfortunately, all Republicans are good for is starting wars, converting our country to a totalitarian state, sucking c**** on the down low, denying health care to children and stealing from the poor in order to give to the rich.

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I must admit...

...that buying green power does not endear one if excess is the mantra - but the greenwash of late is a complex equation not easily resolved even with the benefits of life cycle costing et al (Gore?) - raising consciousness may be singularly more important in the long run than anything else one might do, irrespective of any perceived/targeted 'messenger' hypocrisy...

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Footprints...

GWB has a much smaller carbon footprint than the all time king of hypocrites - Al Gore!

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knock off the petty c***

This is pathetic, on both sides of the argument. Save the political pissing contest for a more suitable forum.

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A REAL JOKE

Both the Award and Gore are JOKES......

I guess add me in with jogdish and jameshays.....As far as Apple statement goes...What else does AL have to do with his life.HE's rich from his daddy's OIL investments Flies around in private jets... ....He might me a nice guy..but SO WHAT. He doesn't have a clue about he talking about.

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CarbonPrintGoreBoreWaste

Oh, pleeeaaasssssseeeee! That FAT Nothing with a carbon print larger than an elephant's circumcision is a joke and a Nothing making himself into a near-Something. If you don't think POLITICS play a role in EVERYTHING, then, you aren't thinking. Apple! For crying out loud, don't mix w/ this BS!!!!!! Have a Very Nice Day, Folks!

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Offsets

So if Al Gore can buy carbon offsets from a company he owns or anyone else owns, can Bill buy fidelity offsets from Al so he doesn't have to stay faithful to his wife?

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Congratulations Al

You've made a huge impact on a very real and serious issue and I for one thank you for your efforts.

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Ignorant

I enjoy everyone's comments when the issue of climate change is brought up. The ulra right and the ultra left both sound so unreasonable. I find the mindset around climate change fascinating. Anyone who opposes or even questions some of the climate change dogma is immediately labled an idiot or ignorant. History often shows that whenever people are this sure about something that its foundations may be more unstable than everyone supposes.

We will survive in spite of ourselves. The earth's climate has never been stable and has been much warmer and much colder than it is today. If climate change is man-made, none of the solutions proposed will make any difference and I don't think that anyone is willing to make the sacrifice that would be required to reverse the damage that has already been done. We will make it through any change, we'll move inland and plant our crops somewhere else. It will be inconveneient but we will survive.

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better than therapy

Al Gore, after he lost (and yes, he did lose - all 17 independent news outlets who investigated the results in Florida came to that conclusion) - has basically a nervous breakdown. He went to Europe, gained almost 70 lbs, and went into depressive isolation. Anyone remember what he looked like at the 9/11 events? Unshaven, unkempt, barely able to speak. The man had an emotional breakdown.

Now, probably at the suggestion of a Psychiatrist, he goes back to writing. And golly gee, look what resulted from it.

Take a look at the last 25 years of Nobel Peace Prize winners. Tell you the truth, I would try NOT to be on that list. In fact, several of them were later convicted of "crimes against humanity." Something which indeed the "Global Warmingists" may be guilty of. Every "measure" they want to take harms poor nations, esp. Africa. Sounds racially geniocidal to me.

Doofuses.

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Think About it

Even if the global warming claims aren't true, what harm is it to try to do what they are suggesting. I am an architect and work with LEED all the time, but I support it because it is the right thing to do not because of some policy put in place. I've done a lot to conserve around my house, and you know what? it has benefitted my pocketbook immensely.

Remember too that Apple isn't necessarrily doing this to be political, Al Gore is on Apple's board after all.

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gosh, thanks!

I was just about to believe the Nobel committee, the evidence, the consensus of a globe's worth of scientists, scientific data, common sense and economic sanity, but then I headed over here to finally get the straight p*** from a handful of basement-dwelling conservative rush-wannabees. Whew!

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enuf

I have more productive dialog with my 3 yr. old. How about something constructive? If you want to change the world, change yourself - that's all you have control over. Attacking people for a viewpoint not only makes you look bad, it shames everyone who stands with you. Rise above the moment and consider what's really important, please.

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Gore Invented Internet

But,,,But,,,

Gore said he invented the internet; all is not lost.

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awesome

Al Gore is a brilliant, well educated, and well spoken man. The US would've been a much better off with him as a president.

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again

ok let me try this again� Al Gore is a brilliant, well educated, and a well spoken man. The US would've been much better off with him as a president.

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I need a number

Could those of you in the "Global warming is terrible and we must drop everything and 'fix' it" camp, please provide me with 2 items.

1) What is your perfect temperature for the earth? Give me an exact number that we should be hitting. Then I will be able to measure the severity of the situation (according to your number).

2) Justify your answer for question #1. Don't just pick a number that we had in 1900 or 1800 or whenever. Justify that temperature as being the perfect temperature.

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RE: I need a number

Global Warming is a weather reaction caused by excessive pollution. It is like dumping waste into a lake, if the lake cannot process the waste fast enough, it will become inhabitable. The problem is not necessarily the temperature, it is the pollutants, the temperature is just an indicator of the growing level of pollutants, which are having negative consequences.

Al Gore is simply offering a solution to the growing amount of pollutants.

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blogger scrog

Boy, you couldnt be any more uninformed, could you? If so-called "Global Warming" is caused by pollution, then why has it happened numerous times in the past (and "global cooling")?

During the 50s-60s there were over 10,000 nuclear test blasts. That's right - over 10,000 atomic and hydrogen bombs were detonated. Somehow the earth survived this (admittedly stupid). The planet we live on pretty much does what it wants, and as much as some people want to view themselves as "important" we, in fact, have so little impact on the life of the planet that it is negligable.

And by the way - "Global Warming" would be fine with me if it was an "opinion" - but when people start using it to justify all sort of geopolitical changes, that's when you really know it is bogus. If we were to actually implement what Al Gore proposes, hundreds of millions of the world's poorest people would die of starvation. (While, of course, the richest nations would adapt.)

By the way, Im willing to bet any $1 that by 2017 all this "Global Warming" nonsense will be laughed about.

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Its not about perfect

Its not about wanting a perfect temperature, Numero. Its about the temperature range that modern humans have developed in over the past 12,000 years. Its about the billions of folks who cannot just "move inland and adapt". Its about the amount of arable land for today's food needs and nature-cycles that depend on a certain range.

Yes, if going back over 600,000 years, there were indeed times when it was warmer, according to oxygen isotopes in the ice core drillings of Antarctica. Nobody is denying that. You can see that both in this month's National Geographic and in "An Inconvenient Truth". That is the same data you are citing.

But the level of CO2, which goes up and down with heat, is much, much, much higher than anything from the last 600,000 years. Bar none. And heat is catching up with that as we speak. If heat and CO2 follow each other, then why would that not be the case now?

Oh and Bloggerblog, you're on the right side but your facts are mixed up. Particulate pollution, the smoggy cancer causing stuff that our tail pipes are measured for has zero to do with increasing global temperatures and even has been proven to LOWER global temperatures. CO2 and methane, which are not particulate smoggy pollution, are the real culprits of global warming. But those do not affect lung health and acid rain and such. Two totally different issues.

-Christopher S. Johnson

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BFD

So he gets the Liberal of the Year award. BFD.

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Global Warming a religion

There is apparently at least equally valid science refuting Gore. In fact it's nearly as difficult to prove global warming catastrophe as it is to prove the existence of God. Notice the verbage is always "saving" the earth. It's also now morally wrong not to believe global warming. Glad everyone isn't buying it but whether true or not, even if we find out the truth in 10 years, many people will not leave the faith. And thus, without any truth available soon, and the immence of world destruction, ain't it a great political tool to control people? All we need are more laws.

No wonder cyncism keeps growing amongst the younger generations. More institutions prove they are corrupt and sellouts.

Mr. Jobs is getting bolder about his political leanings, putting it on full display by playing his John Lennon's "Imagine there's no heaven" in an iPod update presentation. It's too bad if some people are put off from the Mac b/c of this.

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No faith here

Jackwebb,

You may have run into someone who has global warming beliefs based on faith and emotions. That would be a shame and you should criticize them for it.

That is not who I am nor the vast majority of climate scientists. Your dime-store psychoanalysis doesn't play out in the end. Its catchy, but it doesn't match the character of those who are in the research fields.

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oh dear

I'm always amazed at how some well crafted lies and deceit can get so many to regurgitate the "facts" they've been fed.

All of you deniers need to spend a few days and study the Bush admin. policy, promises and lies. Start with the political clientele (Exxon, etc) that did not (and was not) going to be regulated.

Follow it and you'll discover a very good disinformation campaign to mislead the public on global warming. It's all there in black and white.

Or you can just spout off some bs you heard on Fox news.

Personally I'd prefer you either educate yourself and then we can talk or just shut the f&*k up. As of now you're just misinformed lemmings who have no idea what you're talking about.

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Climate change is global

Climate change ("global warming" is only one aspect of climate change) is a global issue, not an Amerikan one.

Of course, the Earth's climate has always changed, and always will. The key question is whether human activity in the recent past (the last century or so) has had a negative effect on the climate.

By negative I mean an effect that makes the climate less conducive to human life.

The scientific evidence on this matter is now very strong. Of course it is not inconclusive, but the inconvenient thing about science is that it (unlike religion) is never conclusive.

The very strong evidence, supported by the very strong consensus of most scientists who work in this field, is that human activity has, and is having, a seriously negative impact on the climate from the perspective of human's ability to live comfortably on this planet.

Al Gore and the UN Committee have done a sterling job of highlighting this issue. Just like the nuclear weapons issue, climate change won't be going away as an issue any time soon.

We (humans) have to find a way to tackle both of these issues. They *are* a serious threat to our existing way of life.

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RE: nat

your absolutely right.

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Al Bore

I love Apple's products, their innovations, and Steve Jobs leadership. The one and only thing that I really dislike about Steve would be his decision to put Al Gore on the board. I wouldn't put Al Gore on the board of my local car wash. The thought of that guy being President of the United States sends a shudder down my spine.

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The Deniers

They come with personal insults that have been dished out by the usual ideological sources. They come with the usual bull about the temperatures on Mars, and they pretend to have the explanation all laid out. But they're wrong. The global warming deniers and the holocaust deniers work off the same mental phenomenon: there's something you're desperate to deny. Why? I think the answers are psychological.

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Stockholder View

I would think Apple stockholders would not be too pleased with this. Not everyone thinks Al Gore is Mr. Wonderful. Why alienate any potential base of customers customer? Right or wrong, Apple seems to be putting politics ahead of economics.

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Let the end begin

We are all hypocrites, I bet all of you drive a vehicle and eat beef and dump recyclables in the trash on a daily basis...maybe we should just get stricken by a meteor and get it over with since we are a poor excuse for a living organism, we have totally messed up this planet for ourselves and I know we cannot change as a sub species, we don't deserve to be here. Politics will mean nothing when the end comes

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LOOK!

Simple as this. Giving a Nobel Peace Prize for "raising awareness" of a politically hyped climate issue is NOT what a Nobel Peace Prize is supposed to be awarded for.

No matter what side of the issue you are on, do you really believe that it makes sense to dilute and cheapen the Nobel name?

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To all you leftist�

�who want to blindly support Democrats no matter what.

Al Gore has been obviously grandstanding on the issue of global warming. Many REAL scientists can not attest to the conclusions Al Gore is hyping about global warming. He has made no REAL effort toward improving the environment. He has not consulted impartial expert sources. He is the grand wizard of all the global warming/envirokooks who don't understand the present situation on global warming nor about renewable resources. Look into it and stop doing what liberals say is the worst thing anyone can do�blindly follow what someone "important" or "powerful" is saying! Do what liberals used to apparently believe and "THINK FOR YOURSELF." That means looking into the issue for yourself and stop puppeting the hype.

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junk science

Too bad it is all based on Junk Science. In fact, a London High Court judge has listed a bunch of inaccurate and misleading things from Gore's fictional movie.

Global Warming is not caused by man. It is caused by the Sun. There is much more scientific evidence to support this. CO2 is NOT a good green house gas. Water Vapor is much more important. And Gore's data is false -- warming trends do NOT follow CO2 increases -- ice cores show exactly the opposite -- CO2 increase FOLLOWED increases in temperature by a margine of 200-600 years. Exactly what you would expect if the warming had another cause.

More and more prominent scientists are giving man-made Global Warming (so called) the boot and distancing themselves from it, including scientists who had been on the UN commission.

You are being sold a bill of good folks, by people who want to enact widespread social change and are using scientific scare tactics to do it.

Do you own research.

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clear science

Actually most prominent scientists support the notion of environmental damage due to high level of pollutants in the air, land, and water. However, Media-Scientists will tell you otherwise to try and push-through their financial agenda and counteract facts to make them seem arguable or inaccurate.

There is lots of money being made in manufacturing products with little respect to the environment, if environmental regulations are implemented the profit margin will decrease; however, this will create many jobs for many people and improve the scientific community.

There is little argument to the fact that humans are the leading cause of global pollution, doing something about it is an individual duty. Recycling your paper, plastics, cans, and glass is a moral and considerate action. But that is not enough, factories produce much more.

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Too bad

Global warming is a 100% hoax to create a carbon tax. In the 70s it was the new Ice Age, now we're going to burn up. There is a reason why no government scientist has ever debated the facts in a public forum, because it's 100% bullshit. Come on Steve, get educated for god sake.

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read

3 of the last 4 posts. manley creative, chad whatever and mlowe.

these people are regurgitating, they've spent way too much time on fox news.

hey manley, look for myself you suggest. i did and am ready to debate anyone who continues to spout the right wing party line.

the sun argument is just remarkable. my my, if you believe that then you are beyond hope.

instead of spouting hannity and co. bs why don't you show me one report, just one will do, by your "real scientists" that is peer reviewed and supported. you do know what peer review means don't you? not some whack scientists hired by the gop to put forth some bs, but a peer reveiwed report that supports your claims.

really, all kidding aside, one will do nicely. just one little report. you can spout general statements about "prominent scientests" all you want. just one itsy bitsty peer reviewed report.

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here's a nice little read

for you.

i've read your side extensively, have a read here, read it all and get back to me.

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/15148655/the_secret_campaign_of_president_bushs_administration_to_deny_global_warming

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need evidence?

Lots of short sighted uninformed opinions here. It strikes me that the "emotional" issue is the need to deny problems/changes that are taking place. Is it guilt, fear or biker mentality resentment that drives deniers? What possible benefit can they derive - beyond not having to think or change current beliefs/behavior? I imagine fear is the strongest motivator.

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Acid rain

Remember smog and acid rain? By the early 1970's, most of the lakes in upstate NY were dead, incapable of supporting most life. Why? Amongst other things, acid rain changed the pH balance of the water, eventually killing the fish, frogs, newts, some insects, etc. How did this occur? Unchecked vehicle exhaust, burning of trash, industrial smoke, etc. in the atmosphere impacted the quality of the rainwater that fell into the lakes.

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Slowly coming back

As a result of emissions-limiting legislation and behavioral changes, the air quality in the NYS area has improved, the smog is hardly mentioned anymore, and the lakes are beginning to recover - slowly. Remember the famous London Fog? It's no longer discussed. Why? It was primarily smog. Changes in emissions regulations have improved air quality there, too. So, deniers....please consider this example. Action -> reaction.

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Funny

What is most remarkably funny (in this forum) about the frothing resistance to understanding human caused global warming, is that it doesn't even match what the biggest critics to Al Gore have to say.

I mean, even George W. Bush and the Exxon funded American Enterprise Institute have now publicly said they understand that humans are responsible, "at least in part". That is as conservative a group as there can be.

So if I was fresh to this issue and entered this forum, who would I believe?

1.) The massive tomes, written by 2,500 members of the IPCC with the latest global consensus among climate scientists.

The science journals, "Nature" and "Science".

NASA.

NOAA.

National Geographic

2.) or...... a bunch of hillbillies with half-facts who listen to purposeful right-wing propaganda media machines in the United States and Australia.

That's a tough one guys. You really have me stumped.

Additionally, besides the outright immaturity of some of the deniers posts, other posters like Chadpengar are especially malicious because they include some detail that is half right but then twist the truth into a nauseating knot.

Just one example: yes, there are indeed times in the ice core record that show that heat proceeded CO2, but it also shows the exact opposite at other times. Look it up. Its more like a dance between the two. Additionally, at those times in the past, there weren't 6 BILLION people releasing MILLIONS of years worth of CO2 into the air in just a few short years, were there?

Lovingly, Christopher S. Johnson

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yeh

fox 5 gotta go, it's continuously feeding people bs

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hey nat

Thank you for that link, it is very informative.

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GORE BORE BUNK

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Five Norwegians gave a prize to Al Gore, and all the world is supposed to heed his counsel henceforth. No, thanks.

Alfred Nobel felt horrible about the uses to which his invention -- dynamite -- was put. So he endowed the Nobel Peace Prize and instructed that it go "to the person who shall have done the most or the best work for fraternity between the nations, for the abolition or reduction of standing armies and for the holding and promotion of peace congresses."

Al Gore has done exactly none of those things.

Gore, however, did write a book and make a film about global warming. He has become the second environmental activist to win the peace prize in the past four years. Wangari Muta Maathai won it in 2004 for planting trees.

Thus we have indisputable confirmation that the Nobel Peace Prize is no longer a serious international award. In 1994 the five Norwegian politicians who award the prize gave it to the murdering thug Yasser Arafat. Two years before that they gave it to literary fraud Rigoberta Menchu, whose autobiography was largely fabricated. (An example: The brother she supposedly watched die of malnutrition was later found by a New York Times reporter to be very much alive and well.)

On Friday the prize was given to Al Gore and the International Panel on Climate Change. Two days before, a British judge ruled that Gore's film, "An Inconvenient Truth," contained so many errors (read: lies) that it could be shown in British public schools only if accompanied by a fact sheet correcting the errors.

The Nobel Peace Prize is worse than a joke. It's a fraud. It is such a transparent fraud that the five Norwegian politicians who award it have been reduced to defending their decision by concocting elaborate rationalizations. This year they laughably claimed that Gore deserves the prize because, well, global climate change" may induce large-scale migration and lead to greater competition for the Earth's resources," and "there may be increased danger of violent conflicts and wars." (Emphasis ours.)

And Islamic terrorists may give up jihad and sing Kumbaya after listening to old Cat Stevens records. But that's no basis for distributing the world's formerly most prestigious prize.

If winning this useless medal prompts Al Gore to get into the presidential race, which we doubt, the irony will be that the American people will turn a more skeptical eye to His Smugness than the Nobel committee did.

The American public won't accept at face value Gore's self-righteous proclamations or his self-serving predictions of looming global catastrophe. And Gore has to know that, which is why he will almost certainly stick to the world of make-believe -- Hollywood and International Do-Goodery -- where he can pretend to be the great sage and savior he wishes he really were and left-wing Europeans and thespians try to

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To PCARRINGTON

just some random reactions to your re-posted screed:

� You mention that Al Gore and Wangari Muta Maathai should not have received the prize. You said, "This year they laughably claimed that Gore deserves the prize because, well, global climate change" may induce large-scale migration and lead to greater competition for the Earth's resources," and "there may be increased danger of violent conflicts and wars."

Dude, both Rawanda and Darfur are greatly about environmental resources. Lack of resources, including healthy land, water, air, and climate are HUGE factors in peace. By the way, I live in Southern California and we are about to come steal your water in the next couple of decades. We're already dipping into our reserves as we speak. How does that suit you? What? You're going to stop me? Let's fight! Rrrr!

See? The original author of the post is under-educated on the issue.

� Arafat, with a very mixed past, was making efforts towards peace in the end and was being rewarded for it by the Committee. Its arguable.

� It found out, AFTER THE AWARD WAS GIVEN, that Menchu wrote a COMPOSITE character in her biography. All of the atrocities she wrote about DID happen, but to a handful of people around her, rather than just her alone. An unwise literary trick, but nevertheless, she brought attention and international pressure upon the horrible violence perpetrated by the extreme Right military in Guatemala.

� People who are right are often perceived as smug. Happens all of the time. After trying to talk about global warming for 20 years without many people listening you may also begin to become exasperated with ignorance and develop an attitude that appears smug to others.

� The UK judge actually said that the movie passed muster and could go to the classrooms. The short list of quibbles, which he said does not rebuke the central thesis, include findings that have only come to light SINCE THE RELEASE OF THE FILM!

� and finally, nobody anywhere has to blindly take Al Gore's word for anything. We can simply look at the science he refers to. THERE ARE NO SHEEP HERE.

- Christopher S. Johnson

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it is real

After doing some simple research on the subject it became clear that global-warming is real. Actually it does not take much to realize it. Humans produce excessive waste, manufacturers produce even more waste, and all that waste cannot be processed fast enough by the planet we live on, all are reasonable facts. I do not see how this can be argued, I guess if one is a bigot they may, idiotically, start by offending Al-Gore. But Al is not the 'author' of global warming he is just informing others about it.

I think Al-Gore is doing the right thing here, and if he has an incentive in his mission then he damn well deserves it.

My Sources: National Geographic, Washington Post, Rolling Stones, Environmental Defense, ABC, etc. I mean just google the darn thing sheesh

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algore

Global warming is real. It's all that hot air coming out of algore!

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Careful

Careful belugashark and bloggerblog:

You guys are on the right track but please be careful when confusing normal pollution and greenhouse gasses. They are very different things. Normal pollutants are particulates and chemicals that cause cancer and acid rain and ozone holes. Greenhouse gasses arent so dangerous to humans by themselves, but can cause the greenhouse effect.

Regular pollution is slowly getting better. Greenhouse gasses are quickly getting worse.

If we confuse the two it just gives ammunition to the trolls here.

- Christopher S. Johnson

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RE: careful

right, greenhouse gasses from factories and cars. Pollutants, as you mentioned, cause side-effects such as acid-rain which ruins forests that process greenhouse gasses. Source: http://www.epa.gov/acidrain/effects/index.html

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It's the Gore�

"http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/15148655/the_secret_campaign_of_president_bushs_administration_to_deny_global_warming"

Rolling Stone? A serious study presented by Rolling Stone? lol.

"hey manley, look for myself you suggest. i did and am ready to debate anyone who continues to spout the right wing party line. "

Right wing? That's just the problem with leftists. It's not about politics. It's not just a right wing party thing. And there is no reason to blow the issue out of porportion. People that do not agree with the position of the envirokooks ARE concerned about protecting the environment and in the process possibly curbing global warming. You will not decrease global warming by bitching about it and pointing fingers.

"really, all kidding aside, one will do nicely. just one little report. you can spout general statements about "prominent scientests" all you want. just one itsy bitsty peer reviewed report."

I'm not a scientist, nor do I pretend to be. I also am not an expert. I am willing to trust the men and women who do the research and trust the men and women who analyze and comment on the research. I am willing to side with the more sensible crowd. That would be the ones who don't scare the c*** out of everybody but nonetheless pay attention to concerns like the environment and work toward solving the problems gradually and reasonably. We can't just drop our technological infrastructure to suddenly "save the environment."

Nat, you seem to be the scientist type that likes to do that level of research. You're welcome to find me a "peer reviewed" study. And while you're at it, find me one from both sides of the argument. I don't need to pretend to be a scientist and dig through the research to be genuinely informed about this issue. I am in a position where "general statements" are all I can truly go by to make a decision. Both sides are making them. I have plenty to worry about in my life. Let the scientist do their jobs and let the analysts do theirs. After hearing both sides I'm willing to weigh in as a citizen and make a choice of who to believe. Sorry, I don't have to be a liberal intelectual in order to be informed about the subject.

But, back to the real issue of my statement which is Al Gore's trustworthiness on the environmental issue. The statements in his movie have been challenged and commented on by people who know more than I. I prefer to look at what's right in front of me as evidence of who to trust as a spokesperson for the environment. Al Gore IS zipping around in his jet that is adding to global warming according to his position. Al Gore isn't really lending a hand in doing any kind of actual "environment protecting" so far it's just words. That's not a good start for trumpeting the global warming issue. I doubt the sincerity of his and other politicians concerns for the environment. I'll trust the folks that are studying it indepe

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I guess

I guess one could take it that far and still be fair.

My statement of warning comes from the purposeful confusion between the two. For example, a coal company can say they are working with "clean coal" technologies, that reduce sooty particulate pollutants and Mercury, but that has ZERO effect on curtailing CO2 emissions.

Another example is tailpipe emission controls and legal checks. A government can say they are reducing pollution by regulating that, but this has ZERO to do with lessening CO2.

As a matter of fact, there are no laws that regulate CO2 emissions. None. Both the EPA and the Department of Transportation are ACTIVELY and PURPOSEFULLY fighting the regulation of CO2.

- Christopher

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Here you go manleycreativ

Manleycreative,

Two things:

1.) The jist of that Rolling Stone article have also been covered by Newsweek, 60 Minutes, and The New York Times. Its not a crazy theory that there is a misinformation campaign in the works, trying to discount global warming.

2.) Then please, by all means, do not listen to Gore but the thousands of scientist from around the world, some of different opinions, who came together in 2007 to present the most comprehensive scientific consensus mankind has ever made. Concluding that man made global warming is 90% likely.

Together, they are called the IPCC, they also just won the Nobel, and you can download their findings here: http://www.ipcc.ch/

It just doesnt get any more thorough than this. "gravity" and "light" have more disputable points about them.

- Christopher S. Johnson

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Oh, About the UK judge

That other Gore story from Friday? The one about the UK judge and that declared a list of falsehoods in the documentary, �An Inconvenient Truth�? It made for a very popular counter-punch for pundits and newscasters over the weekend, even on mainstream news sources like CNN. The timing was remarkable.

I read into the matter a bit further today and wanted to share some quick facts with those of you who are interested, because it seemed to me that there was an effort by some to mislead the public into believing that the film, or even the science behind it, had been labeled altogether false by the UK legal system. And that isn�t so.

After reading the first hand BBC accounts from the court, and the actual PDF of the teachers guide in question, here is my quick synopsis of what has taken place. If anyone needs more details or examples please let me know. I don�t have time tonight to address every single element of the story and include all of the video clips and citings for everything to be complete.

� The greater United Kingdom secondary schools wanted to include the documentary, �An Inconvenient Truth�, in every school child's science curriculum. Everyone, everywhere.

� One citizen, who felt the doc had too much of a political bias, sued the government, complaining that some sort of disclaimer or neutral confirmation of the facts was in order if the film was to be so widely endorsed.

� The court researched and discovered that there was indeed a bias in the film: But it was political and not scientific bias. Indeed, Gore calls for laws to be changed and indicates that conservative Presidents and lawmakers have been less competent in doing so. One cannot call for laws to be changed without being �political�.

� The judge also found up to nine factoids in the the movie that could not be 100% scientifically confirmed. More on this in a moment.

� In the end, both the judge and the schools declared the film as an asset to be used for the entire United Kingdom, because the central thesis and the vast majority of the movie were well founded, sound, and effective in their delivery. The film will be a part of the curriculum.

� This was NOT a refutation of the film or the central understanding of human caused (anthropogenic) climate change. The pundits and reports on FOX and CNN left subtle and not so subtle hints that it did. They were lying.

About the facts that were in dispute:

Its been over two years since �An Inconvenient Truth� was filmed. In a time when new details on the issue are coming out every other week its not surprising to find out that examples in the movie were BOTH OVER and UNDER- estimated. Without changing the central understanding of the greenhouse effect and human contributed CO2, the details at the edges do change. And so the UK courts now have two more years of scientific studies to use for their e

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Global warming is a fact

how much of it is due to human polution and how much is do to natural cycles is Debatable. Exaterating how much the water levels will increase the next 100 years does how ever not help. The UN�s clima counsel talks about between 30 and 80cm or between 12 and 32 inches. Al Gore claims it will increase with up to 20 feet or more. Exatereted claims like that makes it to easy for the people how do not want to change to say. It enviromentalist are a bunch of liers. Now need to change our way of living.

The sad fact is, that it is possible to change our way of living with out loosing any of the comfort we are used to. I am an right wing dane meaning I am situated somethere to the left of the demogratic party (we tend to be left wing in europe compared to both big partis in the US) I do not belive in it is somebody else fault which tends to be the view of the official left wing parties in europe. I belive in personal responsebility. My family is using half the amount of eletrical power in our house compared to the avarage Danish family. This has been achieved by using energi efficient homeappliances, low energi litebubs and turning of tv�s radios computers and so on at the main switch when not in use. By being responsible my family is saving a fair amount of money which we can use for something else. If everybody started doing the same we would experience decreased oilprices. Decreased dependens on unstable regions and an increase in the amount of money we will have for fun. It might not help the enviroment i our life time, but extra money for fun is always nice.

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Ridiculous

This Nobel price is ridiculous and a smack in the face to the many people who devote a large part of their life to real peace and aid work. Just about anyone who has ever done anything for doctors without frontiers or Amnesty International would have been a better candidate for this price.

Al Gore deserves it about as much as Yasser Arafat. (Well, to be fair, the decision to give it to Arafat was probably even worse.)

Global warming may or may not be a problem---I'd say the bad effects of it are a bit exaggerated and the good effects of it (yes, there will be good effects in many countries, too) are a bit neglected in the public debate. Be that as it may, it's easy to see that there are more important things you can do for peace than making powerpoint presentations about global climate change.

Besides, if Al Gore would ever become president, he'd probably bomb the s*** out of various innocent people from time to time, like basically every US president in history has done, so the committee might regret their decision later...

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oops

I have to correct myself. Apparently, Gore uses Keynote, not powerpoint . ;-)

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Global Warming farce...

What has Al Gore done to promote the ideals of the Nobel Peace Prize, ie. "to the person who shall have done the most or the best work for fraternity between the nations, for the abolition or reduction of standing armies and for the holding and promotion of peace congresses"?

N O T H I N G

It's politics plain and simple. Gore's global warming fanatacism has accomplished nothing with regard to what the Nobel was intended to reward. It is a circle-jerk award from socialists to a hypocrit.

16/106 everyone.

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Mars Needs Gore

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/02/070228-mars-warming.html

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Idiots

Even if you don't believe global warming doesn't exist, won't hurt us, etc. why do republicans believe it's ok to spew toxic chemicals into our atmosphere? When I was a kid, I never heard "air quality warnings" on the radio advising small children and the elderly to stay indoors. Now, every hot summer day I hear it.

Why do republicans think that pollution is ok? Do you actually think it's harmless?

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OK

First, every major company, including Apple, is heavily involved in politics. Apple this year alone has already paid lobbyists hundreds of thousands of dollars. Do not fool yourself, this is to buy policy.

Second, scientists reach consensus based on the facts and their inability to prove a theory. Fact: the climate is changing. Fact: human activity is the only know factor that can account for the change. Common sense consensus: considering the circumstantial evidence tying human activity to climate change, it is likely the two are related.

Third, perhaps it didn't occur to you, but maybe considering the rate of the climate change to date, we do not have the luxury of time to actually scientifically prove the connection. Perhaps, we do not even have the tools necessary to prove this connection. So here we stand, do we just take a wait and see attitude knowing that it is mostly future generations that will suffer the consequences of the climate change. Or do we operate under the only known theory that makes sense to explain the cause of the climate change? If it turns out later that human activity was not the cause, well no harm done. If human activity was the cause, acting now could save millions of lives. I'd prefer not to gamble with my children's lives.

You write, "Apple really needs to stay out of politics. Al Gore is a lying hypocrit. I wouldn't be surprised if this alienates many of Apple's more conservative customers. Global warming isn't a crisis. It's a phenomenon that NO ONE as successfully PROVEN. Right now, it is merely a concensus between scientists. There can never be consensus in science. Science deals with facts.... NOT consensus."

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And

What useful activities benefiting your fellow man are you attempting to do with your life? Please provide some information on why the climate change hypothesis is weak. Certainly enough Ivy League educated scientists seem to disagree with you. Enlighten us. In the very least humor us.

You write, "Bottom line, Algore is an elitist who refuses to do what he wants to force the rest of us to do and all for an unproven, highly suspect theory. Man made global warming aka "climate change" is is a hypothesis, a weak one at that, nothing more."

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Age

Let me also point out that many people who are in their forties and beyond have actually experienced the climate change. If you are in your twenties, you likely haven't the same first hand experience.

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LOL

You mean your going to stand on the side of the people who use the fear of terrorism to start wars and do away with constitutional liberties. We have come along way from the day when John Henry proudly yelled, "give me liberty or give me death. Today it is, "Take whatever you want from me, just don't hurt me."

These are the same people who say the economy takes precedent over all other issues. And by economy they mean the economy of the rich getting richer.

You write, "I'm not a scientist, nor do I pretend to be. I also am not an expert. I am willing to trust the men and women who do the research and trust the men and women who analyze and comment on the research. I am willing to side with the more sensible crowd. That would be the ones who don't scare the c*** out of everybody but nonetheless pay attention to concerns like the environment and work toward solving the problems gradually and reasonably. We can't just drop our technological infrastructure to suddenly "save the environment." "

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Don't drop infrastructure

Improve the infrastructure by making it carbon-neutral. It's not going to happen overnight, but the greening of cars and houses alone will produce huge economic boost, and tech research will surely produce major improvements. Electric cars, gasoline cars with higher mileage, hydrogen, etc. This will require improving infrastructure to produce the same, or better benefits, and will produce a huge amount of economic activity.

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Hey Terrin...

Your quote "Fact: the climate is changing. Fact: human activity is the only know factor that can account for the change." is so far off base you don't even know how ignorant you are. I'll give you a hint to get you started, salt content of the ocean, CO2 output in parts per million attributed to man / nature, solar activity. Those 3 ought to get you going in the right direction. Enlighten your elementary knowledge...

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Hayesk...

You ask "why do republicans believe it's ok to spew toxic chemicals into our atmosphere? "

Who said republicans want that? It's the classic argument put forth by a side that is so emotional and irrational about an issue that, to defeat it, will use whatever means necessary to discredit it.

Here's another way of putting it...

Tom: "Hey Bob, I think your report needs a little more research, I've found a few inconsistencies."

Bob: "Fuc|< you Tom, you're Fat!"

I don't want toxic chemicals in the air any more than you do. I want trees and greenery just as much as you. The difference, however, is that I'm not willing to force government policy in a global economy until the 'facts' are ferreted out a little more rationally.

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Terrin...

http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110008597

Professor of Atmospheric Science at MIT, RICHARD S. LINDZEN.

For all you emotional name callers, I'm in my 40s, and I've never been a Republican.

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to gskibum3

gskibum3,

That article was published before the 2007 IPCC report. I wonder how he could counter that. I'm afraid Mr. Lindzen is almost all alone on this.

There may be some lose logic in this forum but I dont think thats the case with the consensus I see in the IPCC report.

You guys may have to pick on someone your own size rather than the easy targets in here. There IS a consensus amongst those in the know.

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christopehersj

"You guys may have to pick on someone your own size rather than the easy targets in here. There IS a consensus amongst those in the know."

Keep telling yourself that. Then shut out ALL debate. If the 'facts' are SO overwhelming why the hysterics when the naysayers try to speak up? Shouldn't the facts stand ANY scrutiny?

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my goodness

Being in my 50's, I've come to a conclusion: Democrats are just Republicans in drag. However (slight) kudos to Mr Gore for bringing this potential heartbreak to the masses. In silence, I've been recycling for well over 30 yrs. I walk. I conserve water usage (NorCal native. A (former) member of the Surf Rider Foundation (left after they wanted to "sell" me a Visa card). Beach, and stream clean up etc... All in silence, untill now. So, to all the christophersj & asevie's out there...keep it healthy, clean. It's YOUR turn now. So, ENJOY and make it a good one.

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To Aseive

Please scrutinize. That is a good thing. No conversation is closed.

-Christopher S. Johnson

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I guess

Here you go manleycreativ

Oh, About the UK judge

Global warming is a fact

Ridiculous

oops

Global Warming farce...

Mars Needs Gore

Idiots

OK