it only encourages him.

as for that 4th leg, Apple TV... seems to be a wobbly leg so far. It does not have the momentum of the Mac computer line-up nor the iPod nor iPhone. Here's hoping that Apple TV continues to be developed into all it can be (hello, why can't I purchase TV shows/films directly through the Apple TV unit?).

...has proven quite enjoyable for everyone i know (including myself) who has one. even though the universe is not ripe with content for it yet.

i think they just timed it poorly by not squashing false rumors of its inadequacies (can't do SD and HD, etc), but most importantly by releasing it before there was adequate HD stuff available to purchase or rent and use with the device.

i really enjoy the unexpected uses, such as centralizing my music and music videos and photo slideshows on my hdtv. simple thing, but the interface is so clever and images so crisp that it really impresses party and dinner guests, as well as making our home entertainment sysytem so simple and fun.

testudo:

I agree with you. Apple did not release this thing after 6 for people in work.

Quite different meanings, although 'elude' doesn't even fit in the sentence where it was mistakenly used. Who edits this thing, anyway?

it made me LOL shame on you dwoodruff heheheheh

BOT - I'm going with the story about armed security guards and the whole "I Spy" thing and shipping them to the final destination during the daytime. rtbarry - bingo loving the ATV so far, streaming works so well, why worry about HDD size??? Using handbrake and re-enjoying DVDs on the new Aquos..

the countdown has begun until another delay... well junt imagine what the stock price would do then! one more thing... er... uh... ilife o7!

just to add to the score,

I'd rather read a post by testudo, than by rtbarry any day (sorry rt)

As for the 4 leg analogy, it's ok, just as long as you realise one of them is lame

Well evidently the Mayor of Philadelphia didn't listen to Steve. Philly has the highest murder rate in the country and Mayor John Street was on the local NBC tv station #3 on line sitting since 3:30 in the morning. Obviously he can do what he wants on his own time but this is ridiculous....but not surprising.

Actually the battle was raging for several months at Apple HQ, between mostly two groups, those who favored a 4pm launch and those who favored a midnight launch. The so called "Gang of Quad" and "Midnight malcontents"...several fist fights ensued. In the end 6pm was chosen as a compromise, although you can see, the time is much closer to 4pm than it is midnight...kind of hints at who had the most sway.

I would also like to point out that 6pm is also the closing time for many AT&T company stores located in rural areas, so a 6pm launch time on Friday technically means you cannot buy it until Monday morning at 9am when they will actually be open. It's the same theory behind UPS holiday hours.

I like how he would rather have cannibalization happen by Apple itself rather than competitors. Hmm...I think that if it's cannibalization it would, by definition, have to be by Apple. If it was by a competitor, it wouldn't be cannibalization!

i've said it before, but it bears saying again... i picture you as that guy who, if people see you first, they avoid you at all costs, lest they get sucked into some lame-a** contrarian conversation. you get told, by people who are forced to be in your company due to family connections or work, that you are the type who would argue with a telephone pole. and then you argue with them about that.

Well, I'll have you know I have more friends then you can can't on one finger! And while some may see it as odd that everyone in my family has moved out of the state, I'd like to point out that they said it was nothing personal, and I actually know where a couple of them live. Oh, and there still in the same time zone, SO THERE!

As for contrarian points of view, I guess we could just turn this into the FNC (or any other news channel, actually) and just put up posts that were all pro-apple, anti-everyone else. But how does that help anyone, include mac-lovers? If you refuse to see the downsides, or critically review anything rather then based on whether its pro or anti apple, no progress is made.

I guess my mistake is I just never drink the kool-aid, so when Steve gives a completely lame, if not outright false or disingenuous, answer to a question, even a lame one, to me it should be pointed out. So Apple's concerned about the 'working man' taking time off. Yet they apparently also must have realized they're taking the time off, otherwise they wouldn't be holding sleepovers, ordering up security, etc.

If he said something real, like "We picked it because we thought it gave us the best chance to work the PR", then I would have let it go. As we all know, Apple manipulates the press like no one else, and they don't do anything by accident.

...you have some mighty thick skin, so you get credit there. did your family really move away from you? i know some families that are looking to adopt, if you're interested. how are you at yard work? and what are your grades like?

but srsly, i don't want to read a forum full of 90% fanboy posts either, but it also gets very old to see what appears to be constant contrarianism from the same 2 or 3 people, over and over, regardless of the topic. maybe i'm wrong, but the majority of your posts seem to be crafted in response to someone else's take on the posted article, to knock them down rather than to comment directly on the article itself.

i bag on macnn all the time, and when i disagree with an apple move or a particular product, from personal experience, i talk about it across a number of forums. my kool-aid is only half full.

as for the 6 o'clock time thing, hey, if you wanna see something sinister there, put on the tinfoil hat and theorize away. my theory is that maybe that works out well for how they are trying to use their expediters to get all the stores to launch at the same time, in their respective time zones...? is that bad? frankly, what does it matter? they had to pick a day and a specific time so that people weren't frustrated by running back&forth to the stores. the news and hype is not heightened by 6pm versus 10am. in fact going earlier would have all the local and national news outlets going crazy for the midday broadcast as well.

chucker, sad to see you go. we had a long run together and you'll be missed sorely around my headquarters. godspeed, chucker. godspeed.

I think it's time testudo was banned. He does not contribute anything useful to this site.