Apple flunks Climate Counts scorecard

I haven't read about any company that mentions anything about climate. Not one, not Dell, not HP, not anyone. This is just FUD to get there organization noticed like Greenpeace. Greenpeace in the end found there protests to be baseless as Apple has been green for a long,long time.

The fact that Apple—or anybody—should even have to worry about this just goes to show how completely special interest groups run the world. Thirty years ago, the scientists were all predicting we would be in an ice age by now. They called it—no joke—“global cooling.” Now they‘re citing “global warming.” Never mind the fact that the earth warms and cools in 40-year cycles and our current temperatures don’t even come close to the average temperatures in the 1400s (when, by the way, human-generated carbon emissions were essentially nonexistent. Even now, they only account for

"Reports" such as this one do more to harm the effort to clean up the environment than helping. Pretty much Apple gets such a low score because they don't know how Apple fairs on the line items the report covers. Just a bunch of bull, really.

less than 0.2% of the carbon emissions nature puts out.

Give it a rest.

Yes, 30 years ago there were some scientists who thought that particulate matter in the atmosphere would reflect heat into space causing a net cooling effect, and the popular media = specifically Newsweek - picked up on it as a Scary Story. But that theory didn't have the reams of evidence - or the more sophisticated atmospheric models - that have been developed since then.

And yes, there are cyclical warming and cooling cycles. The extraordinary accumulation of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere is unprecedented in planetary history going back 650,000 years based on empirical evidence found in ice core samples. This is not business as usual.

Don't look for science from Rush, O'Reilly and Sean. Having said that, this "study" isn't science, it's advocacy based on smoke.

You are right to not look for science from news- entertainment hosts. However, there are literally 1000s of scientists who think global warming (as it is portrayed) is bullshit. Dont get your science from ex-vice-presidents that claimed to have invented the internet. Having said that - oh, wait. This study is bullshit too.

"there are literally 1000s of scientists who think global warming (as it is portrayed) is bullshit."

There are not 1000s of scientists who disagree that global warming is a serious problem, and that humans are causing most of it. The only "scientists" who say that are a few that are paid by the energy companies, or people who are not really scientists, like that weather forecaster (I can't remember his name) who doesn't even have a meteorology degree, yet goes around saying global warming is not happening.

Many (if not most) scientists think global warming is not portrayed seriously enough, given the potential problems it could cause.

Um, yes there ARE scientists that do not support global warming, at least man-made global warming. In fact, 17000 of them signed a petition stating so. And very FEW are paid by energy companies. But how many of the scientists that support it are dependent are government grants that DEMAND that they believe in global warming. Their livelihood depends on global warming being true. If its not, they are out of work. So who has the bias again?

Wait there are two different issues here:

1) How effective Apple is at reducing greenhouse gas emissions vs. other computer companies. This is up for argument.

2) Whether human caused global warming is real or not. This argument has been over for quite some time now. When the most informed scientists around the world come together (a very skeptical bunch by nature) and write a report saying that there is a 90% chance it is true, and that it is, and i quote, "unequivocal". I think only the study of the force of gravity in the universe may have more scientific consensus. And there are ice cores that prove it.

Well, you will excuse me if I hold that finding above the ignorant rantings of a few in this forum?

The discussion is over.

-Christopher S. Johnson

And in addition to the nay-sayers. Not only is your position provably wrong, but at this point, they hold zero weight in the global culture. Even the Bush Admin. admits to it now. Society has moved into the "lets do something about this" phase and left you behind.

Your position is that of a few fools who don't really matter anymore -- like the Flat Earth Society :-)

There was a time in the past for kinder words and debate, but its different now. You ideas about this are irrational, irrelevant, and inconsequential.

- Christopher S. Johnson