GoLive 9 ships: visual CSS, site management

why? does anyone use GoLive? Why compete with Dreamweaver?

GoLive and Dreamweaver are priced the same so why would Adobe keep both products going instead of raping each others features and incorporate into one.

I'd of thought they'd come out with Dreamweaver CS3 and Dreamweaver CS3 Lite for the personal user.

After using GoLive, Dreamweaver feels like a significant downgrade in terms of usability, it's like stepping back in time several years. Dreamweaver doesn't even seem to be able to handle autocompleting a URL (i.e. adding http:// or mailto: as required).

Having to spend another $170 a pop on top of the Web Premium Upgrade price is not cool, but I personally can't stand Dreamweaver.

I have suffered through Golive for years now, after abandoning DW's loser interface. Then when GL abandoned dynamic site capabilities, I started to look jealously at DW. WHen CS3 came out and GL was not part of the bunch, I was almost relieved to know that they were going to go with ONE.

Now I know not what to do. GL? DW? Which do I bother committing to? Do these companies think that users have all the time in the world to learn every frakin new product they throw at us? Not all of us sit in the dark playing doom and reading O'Rielly books.

GoLive is WYSIWYG / graphically oriented DreamWeaver is database oriented

I read extensive reviews suggesting GL is faster & easier for conventional graphical websites vs e-commerce, etc types of sites...

It would seem these two may merge at some point although Adobe sees to me like a company that likes to keep many slightly different programs offered...

GoLive was, previously, engineered toward dynamic sites with WebObjects scripting built-in. And somewhere in the 1997-98 area, Andreas Poliza (the created of GoLive CyberStudio) showed off a data-driven GoLive Web Publishing System at Seybold (about the same time Adobe acquired the company). The Web Publishing System was aparently killed off by Adobe and WebObjects support was ripped out. The only good (questionably so, mind you) thing Adobe did for GoLive was to bring it to Windows... everything else has been a downhill run.

As we have a proprietary CMS system built on WebObjects, Dreamweaver does nothing for me in terms of its dynamic site capabilities... so its deficiencies in general HTML editing aren't excused because of said dynamic support.

To me, though, integrated dynamic site/scripting support is no excuse for an inferior HTML editing environment.

Adobe, if you really want us to use Dreamweaver, give us an incentive.

How about an upgrade path from GoLive to Dreamweaver?

I am thrilled that Golive 9 has been released. I got to play around with it yesterday for an hour or so and I like what I see so far. I've tried getting into Dreamweaver for the past few years because of the hype around it but honestly I just can't stand the user interface, it is not intuitive, is more of a Windows and non Mac type of app to me. I guess I'll be sticking with GL 9 for as many years as it runs on my hardware.

Adobe didn't even bother updating DWs interface to match the rest of the CS3 suite. What's up with that? A lot of people say it doesn't matter what html authoring app you use as long as you learn html beforehand. But the fact is that most "web designers" do not know html that well. They know how to design well. That's where apps like GoLive and DW come in. GoLive presents a superior user experience in ever single way compared to DW. Probably the most important is the use of Smart Objects, for which there is no equivalent in DW. The fact that you can edit Photoshop text from within GL and have it generate multiple files saves an immense amount of time. DW just can't compete with GLs ease of use. Too bad this will be the last version of GL.

let me just give some perspective here (as opposed to the saber-rattling from one camp or another that i always here when this comes up). i was a hardcore golive'r through version 5, until i switched jobs and they were a completely DW house. took some time, buti got used to the differences, and because a DW-ninja for many years, at least in terms of web design, with the tools that DW at least provided. Then I went to a conference and saw a professional review golive (to an almost depressingly empty auditorium), and sitting there, i realized what the "point" of golive was... golive IS what adobe feels web DESIGN should be. the interface is well thought out, the contextual bar was even pulled out of golive and into photoshop. golive is supposed to be the "visual sandbox" for web design, and dreamweaver is a coder/hacker/text-editor's choice. but here's the kicker... golive CAN do what dreamweaver can (especially with the NOTHING "upgrade" of dreamweaver to CS3), but where does it sit in the product matrix? the sad thing is that golive sits on MANY hard drives out there, because it was included by default in the premium CS suite. yet its ignored, not due to lack of ability, but unfamiliarity of interface. it really struck me as odd that adobe didn't fold interface features from golive INTO dreamweaver, but i suspect that there wasn't time to do so. but i just do not see a golive 10, either. adobe has made it appear that golive is a dead-end upgrade, and unless they bundle it again, it's end may soon come.