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Mac OS X, Mac OS 9 file sharing crippled?

updated 03:50 pm EDT, Tue May 1, 2007

Mac file sharing crippled?

Apple may have crippled Mac OS X's ability to share files to Mac OS 9 clients with its latest security patch, according to one MacNN reader. The Mac user who supports numerous clients across London, and claims that all of his clients are experiencing the same problem following Apple's latest security patch: When a Mac OS 9 clients tries to copy a file to an open Mac OS X file share, the fileshare disconnects and the Finder reports that the share unexpectedly closed down. The user, who still requires Mac OS 9 systems to run some older software such as Quark 4 and other DTP type applications, conducted a search to discover that another user is experiencing the same issue.

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suhail
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05/01, 04:05pm | report spam | close Reply |
True

We have the same problem. We cannot copy or save to OS X from OS 9.

Guest
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05/01, 04:20pm | report spam | close Reply |
Solution.

If memory serves...

From within the Chooser:

Be sure to hold down the OPTION key while double-clicking the fileshare.

This should force TCP/IP access rather than Appletalk access. That ought to fix your trouble.

If not, then select the TCP/IP button and access the server that way instead of via Appletalk.

You might consider this a work-around. I know. But, it WILL get you working again.

- Mr. Shilo McDonald

appleisgreat
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05/01, 04:24pm | report spam | close Reply |
Good!

Mac OS 9 is dead!!! Why do people still use it? It's time for you people to upgrade to OS X.

bnumerick
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05/01, 04:31pm | report spam | close Reply |
Same issue with Vista

Here I thought it was Vista that was having the problem. I've had the same exact issue trying to copy files to my media center box.

nativeNYer
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05/01, 04:32pm | report spam | close Reply |
OS 9

Wait a minute! Do these people REALLY need to use OS 9? Can't they run the older applications they need in Classic? That still works you know. And they would be using the OS X Finder for copies, which would mitigate this issue. Honestly, I can't understand how people expect backward compatibility to continue using an OS that has now been dead for 5 years. Move on people. Geez!

makesense
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05/01, 04:40pm | report spam | close Reply |
obsolete

the trend is....with new mac stuff, the old stuff gets snuffed

hokizpokis
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05/01, 04:42pm | report spam | close Reply |
OSX refuses Appletalk

this issue has been around for some time, OS 9 uses Appletalk (RIP) and OSX uses IP network protocol

strange how the UK mac users are just now at this junction...

What needs to be done is to connect the OS 9 client to OSX thru IP by using the button 'server IP address' in the chooser... since OSX does not support Appletalk, I've never tried the 'option button' that guest suggests above

If my memory serves me right this became the case when OS X 10.2 was introduced (Jaguar) back in 2003!

Of course things could be different in the UK where alot of mac users have avoided the OSX upgrade...

limey's, time to spend some cash on what you've been missing!!

ggirton
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05/01, 05:11pm | report spam | close Reply |
how much does it cost?

i don't know how much OS/X cost in the UK when it first came out back in the spring of 2001. But I think maybe its time to consider upgrading those apps that only run on 9. Hang on just another 6 month, chaps, then upgrade to 10.5, rrrrrrowr!!!!!!!

OtisWild
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05/01, 05:57pm | report spam | close Reply |
hehe

Man, nobody runs Macintel in the UK? IIRC Classic doesn't even exist for OS X for Intel architecture!

Time to catch up, what?

Kees
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05/01, 06:02pm | report spam | close Reply |
people should upgrade,but

to claim that OS X does not support Appletalk is a little silly. We have ditched our OS 9 systems long ago, but I still have Appletalk enabled on every Mac so we can print on some of the older lasers, works just fine. (it's a simple matter of a checkbox in the Appletalk section of network prefs)

deTaNg
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05/01, 08:22pm | report spam | close Reply |
OS 9 Still Needed.

"Good! Mac OS 9 is dead!!! Why do people still use it? It's time for you people to upgrade to OS X. posted by appleisgreat"

"OS 9 Wait a minute! Do these people REALLY need to use OS 9? Can't they run the older applications they need in Classic? That still works you know. And they would be using the OS X Finder for copies, which would mitigate this issue. Honestly, I can't understand how people expect backward compatibility to continue using an OS that has now been dead for 5 years. Move on people. Geez! posted by nativeNYer"

I've worked for DTP (desktop publishing) companies and "switching" to OS X is not the end all, solve all solution.

For many applications and hardware there is no upgrade to OSX. For instance, the RIP (raster input processor) and software that runs on the RIP, or professional drum scannners and the software that were never updated to run on OS X. Nor do they run in emulation because of the complex hardware involved.

As these examples show there IS a need still for OS 9 in professional capacities at least.

suhail
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05/01, 10:18pm | report spam | close Reply |
Why not Apple

BTW: RIP is Raster Image Processor. For whatever reason people need to run OS 9 that's their business not Apple's. OS X server still serves-up files for Windows 95. The latest version of MS Windows Server still serves-up files for OS X, OS 9, and Windows 95. Apple is so NOTORIOUS for abandoning their client base, there is no reason for this silly incompatability issue. This is the very reason why many IT professionals hesitate to buy an Apple Server solution, not because of the technology but because of the way Apple behaves some times.

ethical_paul
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05/02, 08:44am | report spam | close Reply |
Don't confuse

Appletalk with IP. Appletalk does fine over IP and up until very recently such transfers were no problem.

I saw this same problem in trying to upgrade my Filemaker files from my old OS 9 FM server to my new OS X FM 8 server. The solution for me was to connect to the OS9 machine from the OS X machine, basically reversing the connection.

The problem is a bug because even if Apple chooses not to support OS9 -> OS X Appletalk (over IP) connections, it shouldn't drop the connection and fail, it should give you a nice warning message saying it can't do it.

cebritt
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Old Things

1) In case you missed it, Microsoft discontinued support and updates for Windows 98, 98 SE and ME on July 11, 2006.

2) For System 9 users, they might try using an old copy of DAVE from Thursby to connect to a common Windows PC or Timbuktu to connect to both Macs and PCs.

3) Sorry about your old drum scanner but at some point you just have to replace your equipment. Nothing lasts forever. Don't blame Apple because you can't use your old c*** for 10 years. If you insist on using it, copy the scans to a Flash drive and use the old reliable SneakerNet. Stop whining.

yakirz
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05/02, 11:28am | report spam | close Reply |
How did we ever tolerate

OS 9 (and below)? For fun I installed a bootable OS 9 system folder on my iBook and used it for a few hours. Browsing via a decent Airport signal was almost as slow as using my phone's GPRS connection. You'd think an older OS would fly on a 800 MHz G3 with 640 MB RAM, but no. I don't know how anyone could use it for real work.

It's time to put OS 9 out of its (and our) misery.

westsidewizard
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Real World

For those who offered suggestions on how to solve this problem, Thanks!

For those who merely stated that OS 9 is dead and everyone should upgrade, you are obviously not living in the real world of education. We still have a substantial number of computers which are not capable of running OS X, nor do we have the budget to replace them. So, your comments are not only unhelpful, they are irritating. Please keep people like us in mind before making such comments.

resuna
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05/02, 02:07pm | report spam | close Reply |
Not capable?

What computers do you have that aren't capable of running OS X?

My first OS X box was a Powermac 7600 with 112 MB of RAM running 10.1. Upgraded with a Sonnet G3 daughterboard and a gig of RAM I ran Jaguar on it until the Mac mini came out.

The Powermac 7600 came out in 1996.

The Powermac G3 desktop (the oldest computer that Apple *supported* OS X on) came out in 1997.

Our local school wouldn't even accept donations of pre-G4 Macs when I got my mini.

What on earth are you using?

Guest
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05/02, 02:25pm | report spam | close Reply |
Not News

This problem was introduced for most people in 10.4.9, not this security update.

bhuot
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05/02, 03:00pm | report spam | close Reply |
go Windows then

If you are unwilling to do a major hardware or software update every 5 years, then don't use Macs. If Apple had been using one of their early OSes - which one was DOS - than no one would buy Macs because they are obsolete and they wouldn't be any better than Vista. The problem with keeping compatibility that far back is one of the main things that makes Windows so much of a pain. Besides if you are willing to put up with OS 9, you would probably like Vista - they are equally outdated and unreliable.

testudo
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asses

What a bunch of asses. When people talk about how much it costs for a mac, we hear how great macs are because they last such a long time and are usable, unlike PCs. When complaints pour in over a delay in Leopard, we get to hear how what we have now works fine, and its not going to stop working once leopard ships, so don't worry.

But then someone using an old machine, with an old OS that didn't "break" because a new one shipped complains that they, all of a sudden, lost an ability, its all "Don't be cheap!" and "Get OS X!".

BTW, resuna, its nice you work at a school that can afford to buy all new equipment, but they're not all that lucky. And you can't get a copy of OS X to work on that Beige G3 tower, its no longer supported (wasn't for 10.3 and beyond). So, while it could potentially run some copy of OS X, its an older copy you can't get that probably still has compatibility issues.

Here's an idea. Why not send half your schools computers to westsidewizard, so their school can have some of that modern equipment.

And bhout, Vista is just like OS X.1, incompatible with lots of hardware and software and a pain in the a**. Its nothing like the unstable mess of OS 9.

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Mac OS X, Mac OS 9 file sharing crippled?

updated 03:50 pm EDT, Tue May 1, 2007

Mac file sharing crippled?

True

Solution.

Good!

Same issue with Vista

OS 9

obsolete

OSX refuses Appletalk

how much does it cost?

hehe

people should upgrade,but

OS 9 Still Needed.

Why not Apple

Don't confuse

Old Things

How did we ever tolerate

Real World

Not capable?

Not News

go Windows then

asses

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Same issue with Vista

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how much does it cost?

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Don't confuse

Old Things

How did we ever tolerate

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Not News

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