...there are some MS features I have been pleading for from Apple such as restore points (Time Machine?) - and I question if Apple's dock is really just a far more elegant implementation of Windows Taskbar - not to knock Apple design brilliance however I have heard it said consciousness is the enemy of comfort, lest mac users get just a little too comfortable...

hahahahaha

Apple finally rattles the big cage of Bill Gates. Thats hilarious! Its even better when he attempts to accuse OS X of not being secure. Pfft, like he has any clue! Has any Mac user seriously had any problems with exploits? In 12 years, I haven't.. And thats without any anti virus stuff, and about half of that time I didn't even have a firewall!

Before I read his comments, I already wondered if he was behind this "month of apple bugs" nonsense. Now I am even more suspicious.

Oh well, its still funny. Bill Gates with egg on his face.. hahaha

The Microsoft tombstone bears the following 2007 epitaph:

"Nowadays, security guys break the Mac every single day. Every single day, they come out with a total exploit, your machine can be taken over totally. I dare anybody to do that once a month on the Windows machine."

(I somehow think there will be a person or two who will take Billy's little dare. The good news is that after a day's work, they'll have a couple of months of material to release if they can only release one per day.)

Next had it before Winblows 95

Sorry, MS, you are through...desperate answers like these just show how silly and defensive Bill is right now...Vista Sucks, Zune Sucks and MS has little else to do besides Office and .Net (for the IT nerds that have no clue about Macs, of course).

Chill out and get a pill, Bill...you need it.

Funny how the rant is on a MS property...MS - NBC

from Jim "Redmond Bob" Allchin...

"There are no Mac X infidels in Vista. Never!" "Our initial assessment is that they will all crash." "They are not in control of any market. I tell you this. It is all a lie. They lie. It is a hollywood movie. You do not believe them."

"The benefit we get from having lots of great hardware partners is pretty phenomenal. And our software can run on any one of those things."

Yeah, that's why all the Plays For Sure stuff was so great that MS didn't have to do their own player... Oh wait, I talked too zune!

"Every single day, they come out with a total exploit, your machine can be taken over totally."

How does crashing safari through a corrupt image = taken over a machine?

This whole Vista launch just reeks of desperation.

- Pulling tons of features out of Vista to make the release - Having Gates make the rounds on TV and media - Getting overly defensive about what is obvious to anyone (ie, stealing)

The funny thing is, more people will LEAVE the Windows platform because of Vista. They would have been better off just releasing another SP of XP. :)

BZ

Not just Swiss cheese, but a piece of Swiss Cheese filled with cockroaches (bugs). What a visual.

Cheney: "The insurgency is in its last throes."

Gates: "Mac OS X is in its last throes."

Billy boy, just go back to counting all your cash, OK?

that said, this is a funny interview. the king of dork failing when attempting to defend his company's crappy os release. yeah, he's frustrated. 6 billion dollars and 5 years just to copy the mac interface and tighten security. brilliant.

this is why internally at monople$oft apple is referred to as Research and Development South. start your photocopiers, indeed.

isn't it wonderful to see the king of dork headlining CES? he's so far and away the worst choice for such a thing. the absolute envy that monople$oft's patriarch has of job's coolness, charm, style .. it's maddening. no amount of money, public imaging, or rehearsal training can provide it. he is and will always be a dork .. and let's not even talk about ballmer.

yeah and let's not mention how he walked off the set of The Daily Show before the show was over.

Dork!

Has there been any virus or maleware released on OS X besides the fake Office for mac on limeware? Nope?

Bill Gates, how is Mac OS X not secure? Can you give real world examples?

As others have implied, the fact that Bill Gates himself is having a hissy-fit is a sure sign Apple is beginning to annoy the "Gargantua of Redmond." By criticizing Apple Gates has indeed let the cat out of the bag. Bill has wanted the fame and fawning that Steve Jobs gets since day one but both he and his product, while financially successful, have always been second class, and he knows it. The truth hurts, doesn't it Bill.

While this rant by Gates is very revealing about how insecure and paranoid Microsoft is it should be also noted that Apple is playing with fire here. MS could make life very difficult for Apple if they wanted to. I just hope Apple is working on an Office clone or is partnering closely with someone who is.

I mean seriously..

"We made it way harder for guys to do exploits," - 1) that has yet to be proven. 2) if you did.. great! but what about the past 10 years? 3) I can make it 'harder' for someone to break into a bank by adding a lock on the door, but that doesnt mean that no one can break in. "they come out with a total exploit, your machine can be taken over totally. I dare anybody to do that once a month on the Windows machine." - sure thing.. Just get me a copy of Win 95, 98, 2000, ME, and XP andd i'll be more than happy to!

"Nowadays, security guys break the Mac every single day. Every single day, they come out with a total exploit" there is a WORLD of diference between a hack and an expolit. Breaking a computer is easy, but letting software enter and take over your machine is a whole nother ball game!

and note on MoAB that the word 'potential' is used over and over again. Proof is when it's fully executed. I'm surprised that MoAAB hasnt actuallttried to prove any of these exploits

Go f*** yourself you useless piece of s*** and take that CRAPISTA and shove it up your a** and that of all those idiots that still work for that bullshit company that you call a 'tech' company. You're nothing but garbage; always were, and definately always will be. What a peasant!

Someone seems a bit cranky. What I like is that they have the Mac ad on the page, which means it should get even more eyeballs.

More MS OX BS.

PS: I'm in KS, US

I installed Vista on Tuesday and there were already 13 security updates ready to download from Microsoft.

And for your information Mr.Bill, OSX was programmed entirely based on security FIRST!!! The pressure is on and building.;-)

for people to play music from iTunes. See the story on Macworld.com on how upgrading to Vista prevents you from listing to music bought on iTunes. Apple has issued a repair utility. The Apple ad may not be far from reality...

I'd pay a lot more attention to what Bill says about Windows "security" if I hadn't once wasted an entire weekend trying (failing) to remove pornographic spyware from my computer in the kitchen, and then re-installing Windows. Vista might be wonderful, but I'll never know, because I DON'T PLAN TO GIVE IT HALF A CHANCE. Bill points the finger at Mac OS X saying it's broken into every day. I'm shaking I'm quaking!

a common thief and liar talks about people lying. a company that got where it is by stealing the "innovation" of others. bill gates famously said in 1995 that the web was a fad and microsoft wouldn't be getting into it. oops. time to throw a lot of money at crushing the web innovators. he wrote a book about the road ahead that didn't have anything in it about the web, he had to add it in the next edition. 7 years on, what? 150,000 virus', and the man is gloating about security?

so the question is, bill, name one thing microsoft has brought to the table... just one idea that actually came from you or your underlings.

Okay, this is a conspiracy theory, which I think people should check out. After all, MS has funded things like phony grassroots support for Windows 95 or 98, and they funded the phony Linux company whose name I can't remember. So. Here we are, all through January, hearing about "one exploit of the Mac OS a day," in the month leading up to the launch of Vista. (It was all pretty lame, except Apple did release two patches, one for Airport, one for Quicktime. Aside from that, everybody's just fine, right?)

Here's my suspicion. Somebody paid these litle jerks to do their publicity stunt. Now, who would that be, exactly? Hmm. To give a month of negative publicity to Apple?

And by the way, releasing zero-day exploits should make you liable for jail, right? I mean, if they catch you with burglar's tools, you go to jail. Why is this any different?

Actually, Bill we do not have to ask Jim Allchin. Allchin apparently told you in 2002 that Longhorn is a pig, it needs to be more Apple like, Microsoft has lost its way, and he'd prefer using a Mac.

See,

http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/microsoft/archives/110354.asp

To be fair, Allchin recently said he was just railing the troops. That hardly makes sense, however, since Ballmer and Gates were the only recipients. Moreover, you only rally troops when facing a challenge.

We should refer to Windows Security as "Suckurity"

I've already written a macro to change security to "Suckurity" in all of MS internal word documents.

No, not really, I have better things to do.

The OS X Dock may have come from NeXT, but the dock idea was also in a program called "Tool Manager" on the Amiga, introduced at the birth of the 90s.

Example, see bottom edge of screen capture: http://www.amigaforever.com/gfx/screens/screen-afwb-3x.gif

TM kicked a**. You could script/hack/hotkey the h*** out of it.

http://www.applepundit.com/?p=5

Did you mean to say "Tool Manager" was introduced at the birth of the 90's? If so, that would be after NeXTStep, which came out in 88 and 89 (and had been previewed earlier than that).

Gate's quote from the article.

If you just want to say, "Steve Jobs invented the world, and then the rest of us came along," that's fine.

Holy cow he really has let Jobs and Apple get under his skin. I'm amazed that he has allowed the Office team to keep on working on Mac Office with feelings like this.

Every time philanthropist Gates gets flush with a temptation to bloviate or accuse *anyone* of lying, he should recall his performance as trial witness...

Any person who admires Ballmer or Gates for being anything other than ruthless schemers needs to read more.

(by Sean Broderick)

... before, ms and bill gates rarely had ANYTHING to say about their competition (namely apple). their official response was 'no comment' ... now that they are feeling, well .. .threatened(?) they are smearing the competition.

this is clASSic.

Not a little frightened at all, are we Bill?

I can't even say "Zune" without cringing.

STEVE JOBS FOR PRESIDENT IN '08!!!!! And for Vice President I want the "get a mac" dude!!!

When asked about a recent 'Get a Mac' advertisement implying that PC users need surgery to upgrade to Windows Vista, Gates called Apple a liar.

You can't be serious. Could anyone *possibly* take that ad as implying PC *users* need *surgery*?? Gates, you are seriously on the defensive ... and seriously defective.

Gates is a far superior spin-doctor compared to Ballmer. Still, I don't see where Microsoft can claim even one once of moral high-ground over Apple.

> I talked too zune!

cute, I like it

"[...] compatibility problems include the inability to play music or video purchased from the online iTunes store, difficulties synchronizing contacts and calendars and ***possible failures of iPods plugged into a Vista computer***."

Are you fricken kidding me?

(emphasis mine)

I agree with you,

Apple clearly states on their website that iTunes does not fully support Vista at this time. It also states support is on the way.

Saying Vista has been available to the public for less than one week and they don't support it yet. WA WA WA.

Hm, I sense that in about a year it will be time for "Pirates of Silicon Valley, Part 2". We'll call it "The Return of Steve Jobs". Actually, now I'm sensing a parallel between the Apple vs MS rivalry and the original three Star Wars movies.

- "Computer Wars" (introduction of the original Mac, replace explosion of the Death Star with the Mac Superbowl ad) - "Microsoft Strikes Back" (Windows puts the Mac on the defensive) - "The Return of Steve Jobs" (a new "all-powerful" Death Star, aka Vista, emerges with a cocky emperor at onboard, only to be blown to bits)

I'm pretty sure we could draw parallels between Episodes 1-3 and how MS wrested control of the PC from IBM via their DOS OS (the dark side of the Force).

Ok...just killing time until quitting time...

Gee I wonder if big Bill wasn't watching everyone at MS with an portable audio player would have an iPod, Announcement: Steve Jobs releases a special version of the iPod for M$. Comes in one color Brown.

http://news.com.com/2100-1001-221221.html

"Microsoft disavowed a videotape segment it played during its antitrust trial under way here, acknowledging that the exhibit should not be viewed as a literal depiction of a computer test the company introduced to undercut the government's case.

Microsoft spokesman Mark Murray said the videotape was merely an illustration, not a demonstration, of laboratory tests conducted to show that Windows 98 ran more slowly when its Internet-browsing capability was turned off."

Heh... so, PURGURY, obstruction of justice, falsifying evidence... WHO exactly is a LIER??????

How the h*** aren't the M$ execs involved in this locked up in "Pound you in the cornhole" prison ???

Heh, maybe I should email this to my congress-critter and ask them what the statute of limitations is on purgury?

jwd

The Government and MS are buddies, the antitrust case was really to get MS aquitted. MS got away with lawsuits from AOL, SUN, and other huge corpore giants with a slap on the wrist. Without this case MS would have been lynched with lawsuits and patent disasters.

Why are they buddies? Well MS operating system is installed on over 90% of the worlds computers, they have backdoors into this OS, they are able to access any computer in the world while connected internet without the operator ever finding-out.

I went into the shop today to recieve an interesting tech bulletin about Windows Vista....evidently MS announced a bug in networking Vista Computers with XP computers. (You'd think they'd have that one working for sure) That is how to make computers secure; Prohibit them from talking to other computers at all. That, and ask you if you are Really, Really, REALLY sure you want to do something before you do it.

At least he makes us laugh :). I've seen the recent changes of Vista live - it's just an ugly XP with some aqua interface... Still ages away of the smoothness of OSX. I don't even mention the killing machine you need to keep it running.

Seriously -- read the responses attributed to Gates. Does one of the richest men in the world, arguably a pretty bright fellow who did manage a rather successful firm for a number of years use language a Valley Girl would avoid? How well is this so-called interview sourced or vetted? If this is how Gates would communicate, MS really is in trouble. Something smells funny about the whole 'interview'.

c*** I was busy and missed this yesterday and read every one looking for one of the usual suspects like testudo, but I guess they are either over for tea at Billy's or they just have no response as there certainly isn't any sane one. Bill, there are job openings at the Boston police and Attorney General's offices, I think they look for raving lunacy as a basic job skill… PS background music, nice reggae beat, "the bigger they are, they harder they fall, one and all…"

"Heh, maybe I should email this to my congress-critter and ask them what the statute of limitations is on purgury? "

before you do that, you might want to learn how to spell 'perjury'.

or, use your spellcheck.

Gates is not the CEO anymore. He has not been the CEO for quite a while. Balmer is the CEO of MSFT.

Gates would talk like that. He is a geek.

turning all customers into a constant revenue stream for MS. The customer will rent all the software and storage space. If MicroSoft does not get the monthly payment from the bank account or credit card you won't have access to your documents or software. As for privacy, MS will define user privacy in such a way that they will be able to analyze your documents and browsing history to target you with just the right ads and when you buy from those ads, MS will get a share.

his money and go far away.

"Jim Allchin will be glad to educate you feature by feature what the truth is..."

Doesn't Bill Gates know that Allchin quit Microsoft on the very day he had that interview?

"Nowadays, security guys break the Mac every single day. Every single day, they come out with a total exploit, your machine can be taken over totally."

Just because some idiots with a web site published "a bug a day," it doesn't mean there were that many exploits. In fact, even after this so-called "security firm" published a bug a day for a month, there were zero exploits. What does that tell you...?

Microsoft has and will always have Mac envy.

http://www.iowaconsumercase.org/010807/PLEX_7264.pdf

and sad to read that article with Gates lashing out like a wild animal cornered, defending another candy coated yet-to-be-proven sick puppy variation of their OS. This is what happens when you choose not to innivate, just aimlessly chase marketshare with a new paint job. Personally, I could care less if MS eventually crashed and burned. That would serve them and their blind schills right.

is not about 'branding vista' as a failure... only time will tell... the real story is for those poor MCSE techs who will have to learn 6 different versions of vista... HOW ANNOYING!!!... this is the real reason why productivity has gone to an all time low on windows vista, the OS is so advanced that you'll need to relearn EVERYTHING; MS's way of saying 'i love u so much'...

I prefer OS's that don't require 'endless training', OS X, still king; no exploits to date, nothing to get in the way of your production... so you can get your work done at work and get home before the dogs distroy your pad...

MS has released it but noone seems to care. That is why all this noise is around. Billy is desperate. I am sorry for him.

quartz extreme, core video -- iBook G3's were built for 10.2, they can run 10.3, and 10.4 but don't get the accelerated advantages... not a biggie, but Apple has hardware requirements too. Although, they have this one simple thing figured out: one client version, one server version. OK, that's it. Two kinds of OS X. No Primo, Super, Vente, Aero Latte M$ B$

I always read "Vista has so many improvements and we have innovated everywhere!" as "Our previous operating system was full of old code and security holes, but we got you to buy it!"

The former captain of the ship ONLY GETS BACK ON the ship when it's going down just like what is happening at Dell.

http://www.macnn.com/articles/07/02/01/dell.returns.to.help.dell/

Suhail is right it's a sign of the times, the beginning of the end. Microsoft won't completely crash and burn though, but eventually (before there next OS most likely their share holders are going to have enough of their BS. Then the "consultants" will come in and before you know it Microsoft will be like a freshly stolen civic, chopped up and sold for so many parts you won't even be able to recognize it. Then one day your grand kids will come up to you and ask you "Grandpa, what’s a PC?", but by that time (if you’re lucky) senility will have set in rather nicely and you won't even remember.

But don't worry I'm sure Elton John will still be around, what with all the advancements in botox these days, and he'll get up and sing a nice dirge for Windows, probably plagiarize his own song “candle in the wind” again like he did for Princes Diana. Won’t that be a wonderfully horrific site: Billy Boy, Monkey Boy and Johnny Boy, all singing and crying and “holding” each other as Microslop, I mean Microsoft, takes a dirt nap, and windows goes out the “window” (pun intended).

Then as a final epilogue, you’ll stumble into bar one day and two old farts will be bellied up to the bar whining because you don’t know who they are. The one who calls himself Bill Gates will be going on about how he used to meet with world leaders. And the one who calls himself Michael Dell will be yammering about being the number one “PC” seller in the world. Then you’ll call your friend on your iPhone and say “yeah, this place is dead, let’s meet at the Apple Lounge, I hear it’s the hottest spot in town!”