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is that you monkey boy?

anyway, Balmer has a small point about MS having a lot of marketshare for their mobile OS and Apple has none. They only reason they have it, is because the competition sucks. Apple will drive innovation in the mobile OS space, and it usually takes MS 5 years to come out with a decent copy of Apple's stuff, so I'd say they should be worried.

Oh, and Steve does need to stop talking about the iPhone as the thinnest phone. My Samsung P300 is 8.9 mm thin, so the iPhone isn't even close.

just a phone. my first ipod cost me almost as much. does his phones do real web browsing? have an ipod inside? can any of these people ever talk without using the word "innovation"? i'm assuming they're educated so they must know it's real meaning...

People need to pay more attention before fanboying. First, Jobs didn't say it's the thinnest phone. It's the thinnnest 'smart' phone. And he's completely right. He said it's thinner than the Q and the BlackJack, which, today, are the thinnest.

Second, Balmer was talking about smart phones, where Windows Mobile has 25% share (the rest being Palm and BlackBerry, with a very large share going to BB). That's what he meant about high-end devices.

Now, third, Balmer, get it right. You're a CEO, and of one of the world's leading companies, no less. The iPhone will not be the most expensive phone ever, not by a long shot. Nokia has the 8xxx series, which has consistently been very expensive. The current crop, the 88xx series (8800, 8801 and the Sirocco version) came out at $800, and, as someone else pointed out, the Prada phone will be $775. Then there's Nokia's Vertu line, which retails at about $1,000+, and does NOTHING beyond making calls.

Now, let's get away from specialty phones. The Palm 700p came out at 499...same as the iPhone...with a 2 year contract...same as the iPhone. He's just spouting c*** here, uncontrolled, as usual. It's funny that he's the CEO given how uncontrolled and inaccurate he is. People talk about Steve's reality distortion, but look at Balmer's. "Everything's fine. Apple makes the most expensive phone ever. Tee hee hee."

Actually the Motorola Fone F3 is only 9mm - http://www.cellphonestalk.com/cellphonereviews/motorola/fone-f3/intro.html.

But I still want the iPhone!

Did you not read the comment at all? SMARTphone, not phone. the F3 might be thin, but it is NOT a smartphone.

Most expensive phone on the market? Nope.

I'm using an Audiovox (that name used to equate with the word "c***" unilaterally) ppc6700 that retails today for $399. At the time my service plan was inited, it went for $499.

It has a whopping 64MB RAM and 128MB storage.

Oh, yeah. It runs Windows Mobile 5.0, which is total c*** and requires restarting and prodding more than Windows ME.

iPhone will not be the "most expensive phone on the market" when it's introduced. Not by a longshot. And given that there's a comfy 50% margin, you'll see it going for very competitive pricepoints, given its superior interface, storage capacity, speed and versatility.

Microsoft didn't make any phones, they only put their lame operating system in them. How can he say "we" have phones out there when they don't create the phone, just the OS?

I would say Microsoft needs to can this clown, but, he exemplifies everythng that is Microsoft... shortsighted, pathetic, money-bloated, and old thinking...

Bang & Olufsen's Serene debuted at $1,275 and is still priced at over $1,000.

Ballmer is an idiot.

He stated that the iPhone is bad for business "because it doesn't have a keyboard, which makes it not a very good email machine".

Watch the email movie on Apple's site. There is in fact a qwerty keyboard on the iPhone. This is FAR better than the standard T9 c*** I have to deal with on my Sony Ericson or my wife's Nokia. I've actually been looking for a separate bluetooth keyboard to use with the Nokia BECAUSE I HATE T9 SO MUCH.

It's times like this I'm tempted to believe that Ballmer is a moron.

Watch the video again, Baller does claim MS took 20-25% of the music market with the Zune.

Bloomberg says the Zune only had about 2.1% of the market after Thanksgiving.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=a4mxDq8JK89U

I looked for my recent numbers but couldn't find any.

Actually he said the thinnest in it's class, which obviously was the smartphone class (though I don't think he wanted to call it a smart phone).

No keyboard? Apparently he missed the whole demonstration where Steve was typing on the touchscreen keyboard. So he thinks the fact that it's not little physical buttons that always waiste all that space makes it a turn off to business. No wonder Microsoft has been failing these past few years. Xbox is about the only good thing they have going for them & Playstation 3 is owning that market right now.

With so many companies quickly releasing newer & better products each year Microsoft is gonna have to shift away from their multiyear plan or face a big loss. Some of the technologies being driven by Apples success could soon quelch the need for Windows to run Windows Apps & if that ever happens they will be hard pressed to keep the finances to keep their market on Business networks.

-Hez

There is no keyboard. A touch keyboard doesn't offer the tactile response that a plastic keyboard does. This tactile response is why so many fast-typing programmers like the old loud-clicking keyboards more than the quiet soft-touch. The old IBM ones are great.

Also, I'm sure it's problematic to hold the iPhone with two hands, typing with your thumbs (the fastest way on a small device).

The man has a point; it has been said elsewhere, and now I said it. This will be a trendy consumer device, unless something I said turns out otherwise.

Tactile feedbaco and audio feedback are 2 different things. Until this thing falls into the public's hands we won't know how well this keyboard will work.

If Apple adds a clicking sound in addition to the visual stimulus (enlarging keys) this may be enough. They could also go the way of Alpine touch screens and add a small vibration with each keystroke.

I own a Treo and typing is a PITA. I'm not sure that the iPhone will be any better, but I can't imagine it could be much worse.

First, I would say that $400.00 for Windows Vista Ultimate makes it one of the most expensive desktop OSs' currently available. Based on Ballmer's logic, we should all avoid Vista due to cost and seek a cheaper alternative like OS X or Linux.

About the Zune I live in a mid sized town and we have 3 Best Buys in our area. last week, I asked the counter clerk at Best Buy how well the Zune was selling. He said that their store had only sold about 30 Zunes since their releasle in November. Thats pretty Poor. It sounds like they cannot even give them away. It sure as !@!#$@ is not going to account for the percentage that Ballmer is touting. Perhaps he is counting the units retailers purchased and not the units that actual consumers purchased.

tonton - I believe the claim was that it was the thinnest "smart phone" on the market. Check that, but I'm pretty sure that's what the claim was.