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Briefly: Leopard on iPhone; MS vs. iPhone

updated 07:30 pm EST, Thu January 18, 2007

Leopard on iPhone

In brief: Apple's iPhone is already running Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard, according to one columnist who spent roughly 45 minutes with the device and who cites official briefings as well as "you and I never spoke" discussions.... A YouTube video has surfaced of Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer laughing at Apple's iPhone, who cites the high price and says the device won't appeal to business customers "because it doesn't have a keyboard, which makes it not a very good email machine".... FrSIRT has posted a Mac OS X vulnerability in the service location protocol daemon (slpd) that could allow attackers to cause denial of service or potentially execute arbitrary code.... Plaintiffs in the Comes v. Microsoft anti-trust trial taking place in Iowa recently filed a motion for permission to show the court that Microsoft may not be disclosing APIs (application programming interfaces) required by the 2002 U.S. v. Microsoft settlement.

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jdonahoe
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where did he get those

numbers? Zune has 20 to 25% of the high end ($249 and higher) mp3 market? Since when? What is Ballmer smoking?

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Leopard

Um, wasn't it obvious that the iPhone is running Leopard when Steve said it had Core Animation capabilities?

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Ballmer

He's just p*** as usual about Apple. Zune is a flop and Apple has a better mobile system.

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re: where did he get thos

You're telling me! Seriously this guy MUST be on crack. Maybe he meant they got 25% of the market for MP3 players priced between $249 and $250... Wait, nope, that can't be it, the 30 Gig iPod sells for $249... Oh, I got it, they got 25% of the market of MSFT employees who bought MP3 players priced $249 and up... There it is.

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So typical MSFT these daz

Since when does everything MSFT does have to be about business (outside of the Xbox)? Why can't it be about the normal person in life and not about the corporation? Do families and personal lives not exist anymore in their lives?

There is nothing that will appeal to businesses with the iPhone?

Well, lets see. Over 70% of all businesses in the US are small to mid size companies. Not the massive organizations like MSFT, Walmart, GE and others. Balmer is probably right in that "class" of business users. I own a small business and what the iPhone has (feature wise) will serve about 90% plus of the normal business needs. I guarantee Apple is not sitting on this one day of iPhone glory. They have a road map and they will deliver some neat stuff.

Balmer is blowing smoke on that one becuase like everyone else, it caught him off guard.

Now the 20% plus percentile of the upper end mp3 players? Where did Balmer get that statistic from? His neighbors kid? Puh-leze! You noticed how he squirmed on that quote?!! That's because he pulled it out of his butt.

Again, he is humbled by the number of ipods sold quarterly. The player second to ipods (according to actual sales figures, not the neighbors kids) is from SanDisk of all companies.

MSFT and Balmer need to keep focusing on their core business and leave the personal entertainment and computing sector to companies that serve it better. Not everything is about the big co. bottom line.

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monkey boy says�

that in 6 months Apple will have the most expensive phone in the market by far. I guess he didn't see the news of the LG Prada phone recently announced that will sell in European and Asian markets for �600 (US$775). Oops! Who's the most expensive again?

What a colossal idiot that man is.

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sore loser

Ball-me is just being a sore loser because Apple is always several years ahead of MS. When did Apple say that the iPhone is targeted specifically at business use? And is he actually to stupid to understand the concept of a completely software-based interface? The screen can as easily give you a qwerty keyboard (which, if it uses the entire screen, will be significantly larger than anything on a current smart phone) and then just as easily give you a hundred other ways to get data into the device.

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Everybody does it.

Don't get me wrong, I love Apple and hate Ballmer and MS, but Ballmer saying the iPhone will be the "most expensive phone on the market" is no less accurate than Steve Jobs saying the iPhone is the "thinnest phone on the market".

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FUD

is that you monkey boy?

anyway, Balmer has a small point about MS having a lot of marketshare for their mobile OS and Apple has none. They only reason they have it, is because the competition sucks. Apple will drive innovation in the mobile OS space, and it usually takes MS 5 years to come out with a decent copy of Apple's stuff, so I'd say they should be worried.

Oh, and Steve does need to stop talking about the iPhone as the thinnest phone. My Samsung P300 is 8.9 mm thin, so the iPhone isn't even close.

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hardly

just a phone. my first ipod cost me almost as much. does his phones do real web browsing? have an ipod inside? can any of these people ever talk without using the word "innovation"? i'm assuming they're educated so they must know it's real meaning...

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Guys, get things straight

People need to pay more attention before fanboying. First, Jobs didn't say it's the thinnest phone. It's the thinnnest 'smart' phone. And he's completely right. He said it's thinner than the Q and the BlackJack, which, today, are the thinnest.

Second, Balmer was talking about smart phones, where Windows Mobile has 25% share (the rest being Palm and BlackBerry, with a very large share going to BB). That's what he meant about high-end devices.

Now, third, Balmer, get it right. You're a CEO, and of one of the world's leading companies, no less. The iPhone will not be the most expensive phone ever, not by a long shot. Nokia has the 8xxx series, which has consistently been very expensive. The current crop, the 88xx series (8800, 8801 and the Sirocco version) came out at $800, and, as someone else pointed out, the Prada phone will be $775. Then there's Nokia's Vertu line, which retails at about $1,000+, and does NOTHING beyond making calls.

Now, let's get away from specialty phones. The Palm 700p came out at 499...same as the iPhone...with a 2 year contract...same as the iPhone. He's just spouting c*** here, uncontrolled, as usual. It's funny that he's the CEO given how uncontrolled and inaccurate he is. People talk about Steve's reality distortion, but look at Balmer's. "Everything's fine. Apple makes the most expensive phone ever. Tee hee hee."

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Thinnest Cell Phone

Actually the Motorola Fone F3 is only 9mm - http://www.cellphonestalk.com/cellphonereviews/motorola/fone-f3/intro.html.

But I still want the iPhone!

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F3

Did you not read the comment at all? SMARTphone, not phone. the F3 might be thin, but it is NOT a smartphone.

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Not quite

Most expensive phone on the market? Nope.

I'm using an Audiovox (that name used to equate with the word "c***" unilaterally) ppc6700 that retails today for $399. At the time my service plan was inited, it went for $499.

It has a whopping 64MB RAM and 128MB storage.

Oh, yeah. It runs Windows Mobile 5.0, which is total c*** and requires restarting and prodding more than Windows ME.

iPhone will not be the "most expensive phone on the market" when it's introduced. Not by a longshot. And given that there's a comfy 50% margin, you'll see it going for very competitive pricepoints, given its superior interface, storage capacity, speed and versatility.

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last time I checked...

Microsoft didn't make any phones, they only put their lame operating system in them. How can he say "we" have phones out there when they don't create the phone, just the OS?

I would say Microsoft needs to can this clown, but, he exemplifies everythng that is Microsoft... shortsighted, pathetic, money-bloated, and old thinking...

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Nonsense!

Bang & Olufsen's Serene debuted at $1,275 and is still priced at over $1,000.

Ballmer is an idiot.

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Ballmer was incorrect

He stated that the iPhone is bad for business "because it doesn't have a keyboard, which makes it not a very good email machine".

Watch the email movie on Apple's site. There is in fact a qwerty keyboard on the iPhone. This is FAR better than the standard T9 c*** I have to deal with on my Sony Ericson or my wife's Nokia. I've actually been looking for a separate bluetooth keyboard to use with the Nokia BECAUSE I HATE T9 SO MUCH.

It's times like this I'm tempted to believe that Ballmer is a moron.

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Watch the video again, Baller does claim MS took 20-25% of the music market with the Zune.

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Zune Market Share

Bloomberg says the Zune only had about 2.1% of the market after Thanksgiving.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=a4mxDq8JK89U

I looked for my recent numbers but couldn't find any.

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Two things

Actually he said the thinnest in it's class, which obviously was the smartphone class (though I don't think he wanted to call it a smart phone).

No keyboard? Apparently he missed the whole demonstration where Steve was typing on the touchscreen keyboard. So he thinks the fact that it's not little physical buttons that always waiste all that space makes it a turn off to business. No wonder Microsoft has been failing these past few years. Xbox is about the only good thing they have going for them & Playstation 3 is owning that market right now.

With so many companies quickly releasing newer & better products each year Microsoft is gonna have to shift away from their multiyear plan or face a big loss. Some of the technologies being driven by Apples success could soon quelch the need for Windows to run Windows Apps & if that ever happens they will be hard pressed to keep the finances to keep their market on Business networks.

-Hez

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no keyboard.

There is no keyboard. A touch keyboard doesn't offer the tactile response that a plastic keyboard does. This tactile response is why so many fast-typing programmers like the old loud-clicking keyboards more than the quiet soft-touch. The old IBM ones are great.

Also, I'm sure it's problematic to hold the iPhone with two hands, typing with your thumbs (the fastest way on a small device).

The man has a point; it has been said elsewhere, and now I said it. This will be a trendy consumer device, unless something I said turns out otherwise.

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re: no keyboard

Tactile feedbaco and audio feedback are 2 different things. Until this thing falls into the public's hands we won't know how well this keyboard will work.

If Apple adds a clicking sound in addition to the visual stimulus (enlarging keys) this may be enough. They could also go the way of Alpine touch screens and add a small vibration with each keystroke.

I own a Treo and typing is a PITA. I'm not sure that the iPhone will be any better, but I can't imagine it could be much worse.

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Ballmer and FUD

First, I would say that $400.00 for Windows Vista Ultimate makes it one of the most expensive desktop OSs' currently available. Based on Ballmer's logic, we should all avoid Vista due to cost and seek a cheaper alternative like OS X or Linux.

About the Zune I live in a mid sized town and we have 3 Best Buys in our area. last week, I asked the counter clerk at Best Buy how well the Zune was selling. He said that their store had only sold about 30 Zunes since their releasle in November. Thats pretty Poor. It sounds like they cannot even give them away. It sure as !@!#$@ is not going to account for the percentage that Ballmer is touting. Perhaps he is counting the units retailers purchased and not the units that actual consumers purchased.

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Re: Everybody does it

tonton - I believe the claim was that it was the thinnest "smart phone" on the market. Check that, but I'm pretty sure that's what the claim was.

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