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11/21/2006, 5:25pm, EST

Tuesday, November 21st

Apple to use power-generating heatsinks?

Apple is currently in talks with Eneco -- an engineering firm -- to use a new Thermal Chip which is said to convert heat into electricity, bouncing the free electrons of hot metal against cold metal to capture the resulting energy. The chip is alternately able to dramatically cool hardware by receiving direct electricity, and produces as much as five times the energy density of a lithium-ion battery, according to Eneco. Both companies have yet to settle on a contract and are not expected to ship products in the immediate future, according to ITWeek. Apple has often struggled in the past with thermal issues in its systems, and the new technology could effectively solve the company's cooling difficulties by absorbing most of the heat generated by processors and converting it into a source that would reduce or even eliminate the need for a high-capacity battery in laptops, according to Electronista.


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Finally!
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11/21, 5:58pm, EST
The G5 PowerBook! ;-)
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Re: entropy
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11/21, 6:06pm, EST
yes, thank you, but we're not currently accepting applications for the position of "law of thermodynamics". but we'll keep your resume on file for 90 days, just in case.
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2nd law thermo
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11/21, 6:13pm, EST
yes. How come this doesn't defy the second law of thermodynamics? Heat is entropic garbage. It's the ultimate fate of all energy, and the only way you can revert heat into useful energy is if you produce even more heat in the process.
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whoa?
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11/21, 6:22pm, EST
whoa? "he only way you can revert heat into useful energy is if you produce even more heat in the process" ??? that doesn't make sense, my dear. of course you can convert heat into energy without generating more heat. the point of confusion here is to what degree of efficiency this can happen. apple will still need a battery to power the laptop, but this system (the hybrid of computers) would be far more energy efficient overall. looking forward to this baby...
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like on a hybrid car's...
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11/21, 6:40pm, EST
...regenerative braking where energy that would otherwise be lost is recaptured to charge the battery. Can't power the whole thng, just makes it a bit more efficient.
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re: like on a hybrid...
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11/21, 7:09pm, EST
Except in Hybrid cars, that energy being converted is momentum, not heat...notebooks don't move nearly that fast.

If they can get this to be efficient, I'd be all over it...though I'd miss the heated keyboard and lap warming features of my MBP :-)
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re: entropy
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11/21, 7:15pm, EST
Other reports make it clear that Apple and Eneco are not in talks to use this new technology. Rather Eneco is trying to convince Apple and Dell that its "new technology" does not violate the Second Law of Thermodynamics.

Assuming that this process is limited by the Carnot efficiency, its best use would be to recover the heat generated by the processor with with heat recovery unit replacing the fan. The maximum theoretical efficiency would be given by eff= (Th -Tc)/Th where Th and Tc are the absolute temperatures of the hot processor and cool room, respectively. With the temperatures involved, I don't see an efficiency large enough to payoff the added cost of the unit.
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Peltier device?
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11/21, 10:28pm, EST
Isn't this just a Pletier device? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peltier-Seebeck_effect. "observed in 1834" so hard luck on the patents.
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poorly worded?
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11/21, 10:44pm, EST
"...Apple has often struggled in the past with thermal issues in its systems..."

Makes it sound as if Macs are total crap when you throw out a statement like this; don't all laptop makers . . . all struggle--?
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thermocouple?
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11/21, 10:56pm, EST
seems like with one junction (or manifold smaller ones) at the heat sink (or maybe making the sink a junction or collection of them) and the other on (or as) the outside of the case - you could generate something.
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