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01/14/2006, 2:40pm, EST

Saturday, January 14th

MS working with Apple on future of VPC

Following this week's five-year commitment to the Mac platform, Microsoft said it is working with Apple to bring Virtual PC to the new Intel-architecture, although it didn't provide details about the release date. The company, however, said that it would not run under Rosetta, Apple's emulation environment that allows older PowerPC programs to run on Intel-based Macs. The company said that it would wait on receipt of the new shipping machines to better evaluate Virtual PC for Intel-Macs as well the final release date of Mac Office and Messenger for Intel-Macs; however, the company this week said it has dropped all development of Windows Media Player for the Mac.

"Virtual PC 7 remains the top emulation software for Mac PowerPC users. However, applications like Virtual PC that are highly dependent on the OS will not run under Rosetta," said Roz Ho, General Manager of Macintosh Business Unit (Mac BU) at Microsoft.

"These types of products require a dedicated team and a lot of work to rebuild them for an entirely new architecture. That said, we know that using Windows-based applications on Macs is important to our customers, and we’re working with Apple to figure out the best way to bring this technology to Intel-based Macs. We’ll have a better idea once we have the new machines and can accurately evaluate just what is required to transition the product."

The company also said that the Universal Binary transition may affect the timing of the next release of Mac Office and Mac Messenger. Although it plans to deliver Entourage and Messenger updates in March, these will not be native Intel applications.

"We typically deliver new versions every two to three years, as this timeframe is when the majority of customers are ready for new productivity software. Moving to universal binaries will naturally impact our schedule, but we’re dedicated to bringing Office for Mac and Messenger for Mac to customers and making sure we deliver the highest quality products. We’ll know just how much the schedule will need to shift as soon as we’re able to fully test our current and forthcoming solutions on Intel-based Macs."

Ho said that the Mac BU will focus on file format compatibility--the primary conern of its users--by bringing new XML file formats, and improved layout engines and graphics and will work with Apple to identify new technologies that will benefit its customers.


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01/14, 3:15pm, EST
I am puzzled about this statement. Can anyone tell me why it is that when I choose to print to another pagesize my whole layout and documentsize changes?
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01/14, 3:53pm, EST
VPC speed will greatly improve since there will be a lot of lower level code that is not needed in the translation layer between PPC X86. Since windows natively runs on x86, it will be a lot simpler to write the emulator to take advantage of the fact that the only thing bridging windows and the hardware, is OSX. And of course it wouldn't need to be run under rosetta, that would slow it down WAY too much, especially when rosetta just translates ppc code to x86 anyway. So maybe vpc willl be released faster than we think?
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01/14, 4:00pm, EST
Windows made for a mac? :-) Can you call such a product Virtual PC, it is a PC virtually. Why not run it natively? Everything is there.
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What???
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01/14, 5:13pm, EST
All they need to do is make it like VPC for windows, it doesn't need to "emulate" anymore, just run a client, similar to Classic mode.
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01/14, 5:32pm, EST
how about scrapping that whole windows interface and let us just run the applications?

Also, Microsoft Office kind of sucks. They needed to do a lot of work to get the PowerPC version working well...now to also have to port to Intel...should make it suck even more!
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01/14, 5:49pm, EST
Folks, this is B.S. coming from MS. VPC already runs natively on the x86 architecture. It's not like they will be rewriting the ppc version of VPC -- they'll most likely just port the x86 version.

Apple -- please call VMware and stop playing around with MS on this issue. VMware is a far superior product to virtual pc in every way.

On a related note -- for those of you who want Windows to "run like classic macos": YOU DO NOT WANT THIS! Think about this -- Windows, running on the same disk partition as OS X... No thank you -- this opens OS X to the many existing and future vulnerabilities in Windows and its various future incarnations. You want a separate or virtual disk similar to what VPC and VMware use so when Windows craps out, you can revert to the most recent disk snapshot and continue where you left off.
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01/14, 6:23pm, EST
There's already a version of VPC for Windows (to run other operating systems). VMWare might be another option.
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Why VPC at all?
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01/14, 8:22pm, EST
Why VPC at all? Intel is about to release a BIOS/Motherboard design that will allow multiple OS on the same computer running at the same time! Just hot key to jump between them.
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Intel: Jumping Among OSs
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01/14, 9:10pm, EST
macos: I would appreciate it if you could provide a link to an article about this BIOS/Motherboard design?
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Did they miss the memo?
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01/14, 9:42pm, EST
So did Microsoft not hear about Apple moving to Intel last summer? Did they not pick up a few of the development machines? They're acting like they just heard about this yesterday and now are waiting for the new iMacs to arrive before they do anything.

If they wanted it, they'd have Intel versions available today. The answer is, they don't want to. Windows is their preferred market and Macs will always be second-class citizens as far as M$ is concerned.

I agree a non-Microsoft solution (VMWare or whatever) to running Windows within the MacOS is the way to go.
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