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12/08/2005, 12:00pm, EST

Thursday, December 8th

Satellite radio threatens industry, iTunes

Apple and other online music companies along with music labels are facing a threat from satellite radio providers, according to The Wall Street Journal: "The beleaguered music industry faces a new, unexpected threat in its battle to protect copyrights and royalties: the arrival in stores of new satellite-radio receivers that mimic iPods in their ability to store and organize hundreds of songs. Fast-growing subscription radio services, offered by XM Satellite and Sirius provide hundreds of channels of music and talk radio to people who buy special radios and pay a $13 monthly subscription fee. Some satellite-radio receivers already allow listeners to record a few hours of programming." Their growing popularity also threatens the iPod-iTunes ecosystem. [subscription required]

The report notes that the new receivers enable users to store much more music from satellite-radio broadcasts as well as manage songs using playlists threatening music labels' more lucrative per-song purchase model and cutting into digital music services' share of the digital download pie. While the iPod has dominated the portable player scene, the variety and extent of satellite programming may be alluring to consumers.

"Because both services offer niche channels, it becomes easy for users to quickly find artists or songs they want and store them. Sirius, for instance, offers channels such as Rolling Stones Radio and Elvis Radio," according to the report.

The WSJ notes that the industry garners much lower royalty rates for songs that are played on satellite radio than it does for songs that are purchased through download services or on CDs. Satellite radio royalty fees are also lower that the charges for songs that play on subscription services, such as Napster.

While the industry, including the big 5 music labels, argue that the new devices are essentially recorders that allow consumers to keep songs permanently without paying the appropriate fees, the services are much like digital subscriptions services run by Napster, Yahoo!, and others: users must keep subscribing to the satellite services to be able to access their recorded songs.


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12/08, 12:15pm, EST
XM radio will feel some serious heat if Pod and Vodcasting are broadcasted to iPods.
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Not any time soon
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12/08, 12:19pm, EST
Until Satellite radio companies can make a reciever that will work under a friggen tree - they ain't gonna win any time soon...

Antenna placement and reception is Satellite Radio's biggest hurdle...

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12/08, 12:52pm, EST
I have an iPod. What do I need satellite radio? I can't ever see myself shelling out any money for satellite radio. Period.
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Umm...
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12/08, 12:53pm, EST
since it's the same model as suubscription based music store.. how well is it going to work? Hasn't that model already failed?
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nah,,,
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12/08, 1:12pm, EST
that's crap. have iPod and Sirius, their uses don't overlap. saw the "iPod-like" receiver, but told the salesguy "i have an iPod, why would i want that?". the receiver we did purchase can't really record content, just kinda pause for up to something like 40 minutes, kinda like On-Demand cable stuff. i can see no way that sat radio can threaten Apple, but if i could get Stern from iTunes,,,,,
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12/08, 1:29pm, EST
Its a threat only if you can actually record content and dump it to your computer later (or, hey, be able to keep it for all time on the receiver). So if its Tivo like, yes, its a threat. If its just a little recording (mini-Tivo), not so much. If its tied to your subscription (sounds like it is), its the same as a subscription service, so therefore, offers the same threat as such.

Sat/subscr offers the ability to people to listen to music they don't own (not everyone wants a 20,000 song library just so they can have anything they might want to listen to). Sat radio, esp, also lets you experiment with different styles/tastes of music, without having to just guess what might be considered good. Maybe you'll hear stuff you want to add to your music collection. Plus, you can't get decent talk-radio or sports programming on that ipod of yours. Nor the current weather (not that the weather's tough, just look outside).

As for subscription services, that model has NOT already failed (nice to think it has, but if it did, there wouldn't be any, would there?).
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It really is a threat
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12/08, 1:42pm, EST
I had XM in my car, and was quite happy with it. Lots of choices, lots of new music. It really is radio for the 2000s.

That said, I removed the XM receiver and put in a Dension IceLink to listen to my iPod. I found that when push came to shove, I would rather have _my_ music than someone else's choices.

Forcing me to make a choice was dumb - I would have kept paying the XM fee, had I been able to use my iPod as well. That is what the current services are missing - streaming is a great way to introduce people to new music, but you still need a good purchase-own model for the music they actually like.

Now if a service offered a streaming model with easy purchase and full ownership, then you might have something. I envision something like a free Hearts of Space podcast, but with a 'click to purchase' button to get the current song. That way, I have heard the complete track, and know I like it. Referral revenue provides the upkeep of the podcast vendor, while the actual sale provides revenue to artist, label, and distributor.

Still, XM is a threat in a way, because people do like to hear new stuff, often a few times, before they purchase it. They also want to purchase and own the music they like, which is usually a small fraction of the music they hear. These two things could work together quite well, but the industry wants them to be dueling solutions.

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12/08, 1:49pm, EST
In just a few minutes, the iTMS allows you to purchase any of hundreds of thousands of songs in its library. The iPod allows you to store thousands of songs among your iTMS purchases, free downloaded MP3s, or ripped from your CD collection and take them anywhere you want. The iPod work in any kind of weather anywhere you are indoors or outdoors. How long would it take you to collect 100, 1000, 5000, 10000, 15000 songs via Sirius or XM? I love my XM radio in my car. However, it will compete with the iPod about 90 days after Hell freezes over.
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12/08, 2:04pm, EST
Hell Froze in 2002 with iTunes for Windows, macscientist. So, it's well well past the 90 point now.

We just got a new VW that offers both Satellite (XM or Sirius, we went with XM since we hate Stern) and iPod connectivity to the in-dash unit. All factory. It's rather nice, honestly. Do I see myself needing satellite? Not really, tho I do like getting CNN in my car all the time. Is the reception as bad as others cite? NOT IN OUR VOLKSWAGEN!! Cloudy days, hell in the parking deck we usually have signal. Some of the data (show name, etc) won't appear, but the radio service has never once "shut out" on us in the ~2 months we've been using it (with a variety of weather this year! mostly cloudy!), so I think it is a threat to an extent.

What it boils down to are: those anal enough to collect/organize their tunes and those who come to terms with being unable to organize mass music and give control to someone else.
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12/08, 2:18pm, EST
It's interesting that the title states that the threat is to iTunes rather than to iPod. As for people like me, that's ridiculous. I'm at my computer all of my waking hours, except for most of the Sabbath, so Internet radio through iTunes makes more sense. Why would I want satellite radio unless I was in the car, driving through the Rocky Mountains between Vancouver and Calgary, where radio waves are scarce? I only do that once a year, at most, and rarely spend time in a car or commuting, so satellite radio is an unwarranted expense for me.
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