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Jobs on Intel Macs, OS X, product secrecy

updated 10:20 am EDT, Tue September 20, 2005

Jobs on Intel

Apple CEO Steve Jobs and the company�s senior vice president of worldwide product marketing Phil Schiller this morning held an open discussion with European media, according to Macworld UK. Jobs confirmed the company was "on track" to have .

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Hobeaux
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09/20, 10:45am | report spam | close Reply |
buy Mac OS X for my PC

So, if I were to buy a copy of Mac OS X for my home PC�that wouldn't be stealing, now would it? I think I'm gonna give it a try :D

rtamesis
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09/20, 11:11am | report spam | close Reply |
Waste of time and money

SJ said that Apple is going to make sure that you will not be able to install it in your PC when it officially comes out next June, so in effect you will be throwing away your money. Even if you get one of the pirated copies now circulating in the Web, you will not be able to run the updated Mac software on it.

When Microsoft comes out with Windows Vista, your PC probably won't be powerful enough to run it, so you'll have to buy a new PC to do so. In that case, you're better off buying a new Macintel that will allow you to dual boot to Windows.

ebeyer
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09/20, 11:22am | report spam | close Reply |
Hope...

My biggest hope is that these MacTels will finally let me play first-run PC games, be it on Virtual PC or some sort of 'compatibility mode'. Losing my old games is my one (and only) real regret after switching.

lost province
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09/20, 11:24am | report spam | close Reply |
Besides all that...

it seems Steve-o has the fix in with St. Pete... better watch it ;-)

digdog
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09/20, 11:31am | report spam | close Reply |
Quote of the Day

Theft is bad, you don't want to burn in h***.

-- Jobs 9:20

koolkid1976
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09/20, 11:50am | report spam | close Reply |
Re: Quote of the Day

My favorite quote is: �Microsoft has to earn a living too�.

--Jobs 9:20 verse 2

Faceplant
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09/20, 11:52am | report spam | close Reply |
I think

The bad thing about burning in h*** would be that the web connections and OS down there would not be nearly as snappy as they are up here. That is my thought anyway, and although I cannot support it Biblically, I believe that any upgrades you get in h*** on a 'puter system would be things like airport upgrades and that sort, and we all know that there are no wireless connections. Only dial up, and 28.8 at best. That right there is reason to not steal. Not so snappy!

apple4ever
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09/20, 12:03pm | report spam | close Reply |
re: Waste

No, it will be cracked, within a month I'd imagine. It will be impossible to prevent it from being run on all PCs. Somebody will find a way to run on at least on model of PCs. There is no way to secure an operating system from someone who has physical and logical access to a machine.

Hobeaux
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09/20, 12:15pm | report spam | close Reply |
installing

a coworker of mine installed a copy of Tiger on his PC, but it was an extra copy that we had lying around the office. So, back to my point�if I buy a copy of Tiger, and install it on my PC at home, that's not stealing. I'm merely using a product in an unintended way.

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09/20, 12:20pm | report spam | close Reply |
Jobs quote..

"Theft is bad," he said, warning: "You don�t want to burn in h***." "

A bit over-the-top, even for SJ, isn't this? Protest too much?

Sigh.. Will it really be "theft" when MacIntel OS X is on store shelves and someone pays for it and tries to get it to run on their non-macintel PC? How about when they succeed? Never-mind Christ's message of forgiveness for all sins.. Sorry Steve, but if OJ and Gates have a chance of getting out of h***, I think people that get MacOS X to run on non-macintel PCs should breathe easy.

As far as the tech that will prevent this? Paladium/TPM that Mac users and Windows users alike slam M$ for promoting? I'm sure that will win more users to the platform ... Shrug.

Sounds like one of those Jobs quotes that will be forgotten by the time Jobs does a 180 and decides to let non-macintel PC users buy MacOS X... No MacOS X on non-mac PCs may end up being another no flash based iPod, and no all-in-one mac built into the back of a flatscreen ...

Or SJ and Apple may make M$ look almost saintly .. We may see Apple begin to act like the **AAs and smack down users with DMCA BS for trying to run MacOS X on non-macintel PCs.

What? Me worry? ...

take care all

jwd

ibugv4
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09/20, 12:42pm | report spam | close Reply |
?!@?

Apple wants hardware sales. They're going to make sure that NO hardware outside their design spec will work. I bet they will require an Apple-only-sold CPU with a specific rage # to make the installer work. I'm sure someone might find a way around that, but a software upgrade will break it. Apple's good and known for this. (Remember the Firmware upgrade that left a LOT of Macs without their uncertified RAM working?)

Face it: You bought into a cult. Deal with it already.

Excuse me, I have to go bang on the headlight of the OTHER cultic product I can't seem to live without now .....

ecrelin
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09/20, 01:09pm | report spam | close Reply |
right on jwd

every second spent on worrying about OS piracy and its undemonstrable effect on the bottom line is an utter waste of time, Windows is the most pirated OS on earth yet M$ has the 90% marketshare and supports several of the top 50 richest men on earth. Worse yet is the inexorible bad blood invoked with the consumer mindset, didn't your mother tell you that you only get one chance to make a first impression? You may run the table with the iPod in a vacuuous market with NO competition even though it is a restrictive environment but you won't break into a saturated market that way. Marketing 101 lesson, assuming your product is the top of the line and you are already profitable give them a free taste and get a customer for life, make it difficult or make them pay and only get the preconverts, the forced-for-whatever-reason or those that you'll have to spend billions on to convince. Apple's 4% is paltry, forcing the one vendor solution and then thinking you'll gain bigtime and compete head to head to displace Dell and M$, on whizbang widgets, nice graphics and the coattails of the iPod alone are delusions of grandeur and quite possibly the shortsighted result of "being a little greedy". Net result, you will prove the Wall Street "Apple is overvalued" naysayers correct with your anemic 2% gain per year.

msuper69
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09/20, 01:14pm | report spam | close Reply |
Read the EULA

...and you will see where it states that you may only install OS X on an Apple-branded computer.

Not that the EULA will stop anyone who wants to hack it to run on a generic PC.

But it is a violation of a legal contract.

eswinson
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09/20, 02:14pm | report spam | close Reply |
h***?

I thought burning in h*** was when you had to install windows on a generic PC

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re: installing

"a coworker of mine installed a copy of Tiger on his PC, but it was an extra copy that we had lying around the office. So, back to my point�if I buy a copy of Tiger, and install it on my PC at home, that's not stealing. I'm merely using a product in an unintended way."

Just a little clarification for you since you seem to be a little confused. Yes, a Mac is a personal computer, but "PC" designation is reserved for hardware that has an x86 processor (from AMD or Intel, etc.) and normally run Windows. Your co-worker installed an extra copy of Tiger on his Mac, not his PC. You CANNOT buy a copy of Tiger and install it on your PC at home not because Apple says not to use it that way, but because it's technically NOT possible.

And no-where in your comment did you mention a hacked version of OS X, so I don't think that is what you meant.

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09/20, 03:26pm | report spam | close Reply |
Dell

Actually now Apple is copying Dell on hardware with the change over to Intel processors. In fact from what I hear is that Apple is going to use Intel reference hardware just like Dell does.

jrbm689
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09/20, 07:49pm | report spam | close Reply |
Do you people not realize

Steve Jobs was JOKING?

asmeurer@comcast.net
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09/20, 08:48pm | report spam | close Reply |
too bad

Too bad that h*** already froze over when Apple introduced that they would switch to Intel. And even if that didn't do it, what about iTunes for Windows and the multi-button Apple mouse.

Hobeaux
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09/20, 09:44pm | report spam | close Reply |
actually

"Just a little clarification for you since you seem to be a little confused. Yes, a Mac is a personal computer, but "PC" designation is reserved for hardware that has an x86 processor (from AMD or Intel, etc.) and normally run Windows. Your co-worker installed an extra copy of Tiger on his Mac, not his PC. You CANNOT buy a copy of Tiger and install it on your PC at home not because Apple says not to use it that way, but because it's technically NOT possible.

And no-where in your comment did you mention a hacked version of OS X, so I don't think that is what you meant."

Let me clarify: he took a copy of mac os x tiger and installed it onto a computer that had an intel chip running inside it, and windows xp on another drive. I don't know the mechanics of how he got it running, but he had.

And, in case you missed Steve's keynote address at WWDC, Steve's Mac OS X demos were all run off an Intel box�he even stated that every version of Mac OS X was designed to run on Intel just in case the PPC platform didn't work out.

Miniryu
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09/21, 12:27am | report spam | close Reply |
Cracked OS X

I'm sure it will be cracked, read Steve's comments- he knows it will be too. The thing is, it will probably be so complicated and difficult to do that most people will not even consider it an option (if they even know about it).

himself
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09/21, 01:39am | report spam | close Reply |
re: actually

"Let me clarify: he took a copy of mac os x tiger and installed it onto a computer that had an intel chip running inside it, and windows xp on another drive. I don't know the mechanics of how he got it running, but he had."

The only way he could get a copy of Tiger installed on an intel PC is if either... a) he is an Apple developer with one of $900 "MacIntel" rentals (that Jobs mentioned at the WWDC) and a legitimate copy of Tiger for intel. I would suspect that installing it on ANY other machine is illegal, and a violation of the NDA.

or... b) he obtained an illegal copy of Tiger for Intel from the internet somewhere, and installed it illegally on windos PC.

take your pick.

shrimpdesign
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09/21, 02:51pm | report spam | close Reply |
heh

I get the impression that in a few months Apple will become like the Willy Wonka Factory.

No one goes in, no one goes out .... except Steve in his special private jet.

shrimpdesign
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pc with retail OS X? Nope

"And, in case you missed Steve's keynote address at WWDC, Steve's Mac OS X demos were all run off an Intel box�he even stated that every version of Mac OS X was designed to run on Intel just in case the PPC platform didn't work out."

The retail version doesn't come with a Mac OS that runs on Intel. Jobs was talking about a not-so-secret project in Apple that has been porting the current Mac OS to x86-based computers for the past few years.... and even before that with OS 9, I believe.

Mac OS X for Intel Processors is not available to the general public. So it's either the illegal copy on the net or stolen from the Mactel rentals.

My guess is he fooled you, replaced the XP interface ... or it's an emulator, or it's the hacked copy on bittorrent.

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