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Column: Apple must take Vista seriously

updated 07:30 pm EDT, Mon September 19, 2005

MS Vista threat

The "real power" of the Windows platform has always been tied to the support from the developer community, explains Rob Enderle of TechNewsWorld. And this year, developers are "more excited than I have seen in years" about , Microsoft's next-generation operating system. Enderle says for Apple to hold its ground, it must take Vista seriously. "Windows Vista is the biggest release for Microsoft since Windows 95. With that release, Apple was tested -- and they failed miserably. I was at Dataquest at the time and not only did I warn Apple to take 95 more seriously, I also accurately forecast the massive decline that would happen to them if they didn't do just that." Apple will be positioning its Intel-compatible Mac OS X against Vista and "they have about 12 months to prepare for the threat," the article states. "Just like the last time, they will largely leverage hardware this time, and, as before, they will be up against companies with resources that eclipse their own."

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Feathers
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09/19, 08:01pm | report spam | close Reply |
Vista doesn't run on Mac

Yet another anal-ist who has clearly missed the fact that vista doesn't run on Macs and few MacUsers EVER migrate to WinTel. However, OSX will run on Intel and plenty of PeeCee users are migrating to Macintosh. Nuff said! Don't know this guy Enderle but it's a safe bet that he's a Microsoft b**** anyway

Horsepoo!!!
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09/19, 08:02pm | report spam | close Reply |
That's not the question

The question is whether the consumers will take Vista seriously. Right now, OS X and Windows are roughly at feature parity in the consumer's eyes (there was a time when Apple was way ahead of MS but Apple blew it). There's nothing in Vista that is more enticing than on OS X to consumer's eyes. Maybe there are things in there for developers but Apple has been satisfying developers also, especially with Tiger...I don't see that stopping.

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09/19, 08:10pm | report spam | close Reply |
Yikes

I think he makes some good points in this article. I've been somewhat following the Vista beta builds, and the fact is that it does at least match Tiger in most areas. I sincerely hope for Apple's sake they can get the Intel switch worked out and completed smoothly, and that Leopard surpasses what Vista will have that Tiger doesn't.

The Avalon interface system and the Glass interface are definitely more advanced and in some ways prettier (although at the moment the Vista interface still seems cluttered) than Aqua. They can do visual effects, like rotating the windows to be 3D, that Apple can't accomplish. I'd hate to see Microsoft surpass Apple in interface capability, but at the moment it looks that way. Quartz and Quartz Extreme can hold their own, but in the end (I'm no expert, so I could be wrong), it appears as though windows in Vista are rendered in true fashion by the video card in true 3D, while in Quartz Extreme they're like flat layers with shadows tacked on. Hopefully Apple can leverage Core Image more fully in Leopard.

In addition, Microsoft's come up with some reasonable alternatives to Expos� (but Expos�'s still better in my opinion), and have better implemented metadata than Apple has in Tiger, as in Vista you can edit the metadata for any file you're saving as you save it, or later on through the Windows Explorer.

Still, there are some areas where Tiger surpasses the as-unreleased Vista. Microsoft's answer for Dashboard is pretty lame, and the Vista interface, though more graphically impressive, remains cluttered and confusing. They've also retained the disastrous Registry.

I think Apple definitely has a chance in creating an again superior OS in Leopard, but they'll have to work really hard, and for once there will be a definite deadline. Apple can't afford to have an OS that's "just as good" as Vista. And, as is mentioned in the article, Microsoft has enormous support outside the company for Vista, while Apple is trying the patience of its developers by asking them to switch their programs to Intel so soon after the OS 9-OS X switch. Again, I sincerely hope Apple's up to this challenge. I like using the Mac.

Horsepoo!!!
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09/19, 08:12pm | report spam | close Reply |
Wrong iKenny

Apple can do all this if they chose too...but they're not and I'm glad.

vallette
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09/19, 08:13pm | report spam | close Reply |
Ignore this guy

He and his wife Mary are total hacks, ignore them and with any luck they'll go away. They've been writing this drivel about Apple for years. Check out Mary's review of the iMac G5 sometime: http://www.macnewsworld.com/story/36515.html It's hilarious.

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09/19, 08:14pm | report spam | close Reply |
It's the viruses

If someone is going to choose OS X over Windows right now, one of the major reasons is the virus and spyware issues Windows currently has. If Vista can overcome this (through marketing or actual progress in the area of security), then Apple will have a problem. But I seriously doubt the Mac loyal are going to stray to Windows just because the new interface is so feature-rich.

And I also doubt that the Windows migrators are going to stop just because Vista has something akin to Spotlight...

Actually, I think in another 3 years the real competition is going to be Desktop Linux. Particularly if it continues to improve at the rate Ubuntu has shown it can. 3 years from now, if you're running an Intel Macintosh and you have the option to [A] upgrade to Windows Vista 2.0 for $189, [B] OS X 10.6 for $100, or [C] install Ubuntu Wiffling Wombat for free, if Wiffling Wombat looks and feels easily as good as either of the other two, you may be tempted to jump ship to the free option and just buy a Dell next time you need a hardware upgrade...

(Naturally, I'm talking home users, not graphics professionals.)

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09/19, 08:16pm | report spam | close Reply |
Beh!

This guy's analogy is half-baked. The big difference being that Windows '95 was an improvement over Windows 3.1. A big improvment. Thing is... Vista looks to be even more hideous, bloated, and complicated than XP. No improvement and no reason for consumers to get excited.

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09/19, 08:18pm | report spam | close Reply |
yer wrong cause I say so.

fanboys never cease to amaze me. no iKenny is not wrong, sounds like a fairly sound take on the whole issue from first hand experience. Like it or not, Vista will be in direct competition, do you honestly think they have just been doing nothing this whole time? get real. Sure they have been copying a s*** load of s*** from Apple, but whats new.

And as per the first post, apple has said publicly that they will not stop people from running Windows on an Intel Mac (I detest the MacTel monkier). Not that it will matter much because people are not likely to do that, I know I would never abadon OSX, but do think that Vista wont pose any threat at all is just asinine.

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09/19, 08:27pm | report spam | close Reply |
Windows finder

Has anyone ever found the windows finder?

Seriously, where is it?

mugwump
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09/19, 08:35pm | report spam | close Reply |
Not close

Let's see -- this is the Window OS until 2010.

Vista versus 10.5 Leapord. Vista versus 10.6 Lion Vista versus 10.7 Quantum Vista versus 10.8 Supernova

Right now, it had better be good, cause that's all they get.

mugwump
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09/19, 08:36pm | report spam | close Reply |
line break

er the above did not format as typed! ah well...

JackNN
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09/19, 08:44pm | report spam | close Reply |
iKenny IS wrong ...

Microsoft is doing things just because they can, not because they should. Translucent window bars and rotating windows don't seem that user-friendly to me. Apple experimented with translucent window bars and decided they were user-unfriendly. And it's a lot easier to identify tiled windows in 2D than 3D.

The Vista interface still looks cluttered and confusing.

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09/19, 08:46pm | report spam | close Reply |
TWIT last week...

listening to TWIT, Patrick mentioned to Leo that Vista will require a gig of ram to perform; getting up there with requirements. :(

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09/19, 09:08pm | report spam | close Reply |
Display Postscript

The biggest advantage the Mac OS has over Windows is that it uses display Postscript to draw the screen giving you true WYSIWYG. No more QuickDraw. Vista doesn't use Postscript so the Mac OS will continue to be the preferred platform for graphic artists.

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09/19, 09:26pm | report spam | close Reply |
Apples to bad apples

Let's see, when Windows 95 came out, Apple had less than 10% overall marketshare and probably less than 5% enterprise marketshare. So, maybe, just MAYBE, Apple lost a few percentage points in the consumer arena after Windows 95. What could Apple have done? Yes, they could have released their OS to Wintel users, but there is every reason to believe that Apple would have died had it done so, and no real evidence that Apple would have faired better than it did. People like to chastize Apple for not doing better against Windows. Who else has done better, or even close to Apple, in successfully surviving an OS war with Windows? No one. OS/2 from IBM died. Can anyone say IBM did not have the resources and the market leverage to pull it off? They did, much more powerful than Apple, and yet OS/2 is dead. What about BeOS? Dead. What about Amiga? Dead. Apple is the ONLY company so far in history to compete, and survive (and now thrive) against Windows. Apple takes every version of Windows seriously. If they didn't, we'd remember Apple like we remember Amiga, not very well.

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09/19, 09:36pm | report spam | close Reply |
3D windows ...?

I just gotta ask ... what is the point of having desktop windows rendered in 3D? When I'm working on or viewing data in any app, I want the OS to visually fade into the background, give me whatever information I need without distracting from my focus.

As pretty as OS X is, it's already pushed my limits of how much 'gloss' I need in the operating system; and I'm glad to see that in many respects they've been toning things down with each release. Windows XP looks gaudy everytime I see it; I can't imagine what all this clutter will to do Vista ...

All for what? The 'ooh, aah' factor I guess ...

Everything else .. I'm no expert. :)

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09/19, 09:37pm | report spam | close Reply |
Fair and balanced

Anyone's BS detector should go off immediately while reading this hit piece. The critical review of Microsoft products is all positive, and the critical review of Apple is all negative.

Faux news -- Fair and balanced.

Makosuke
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09/19, 09:38pm | report spam | close Reply |
Re: 3D Interface Goodies

Just ta be pointin' out, OSX *does* support all that transparent and 3D goodness iffin' ya so desire. Just ha'a gander at tha' filippity Dashboard widgets, tha' clear and transparent Terminal, tha' milky transparency of drop-down menus, squeezyness on minimized windows, and o'course the shareware apps that'll let ya rotate yer windows any which-way (in response to a PowerBook's acceleration sensor, even).

OSX can, it just generally don't. Whether that be fair or fowl, the individual kin' decide fer 'imself.

Salmon
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09/19, 09:43pm | report spam | close Reply |
Amen to that

michaeljohn cites what Windows hacks are all too fond of forgetting: Apple is a successful business and a survivor. Since OS X 10.3 Apple has clearly demonstrated that it is on top of its game, as regards innovations that make OS X more reliable, secure, and (particularly) user-friendly. All these pro-Microsoft pundits neglect to consider that they are vastly more computer literate than most general users. Their perspective is so skewed towards the veneration of technology that they forget that the rest of us just use it, and the easier it is to accomplish what we want, the better. Microsoft appears to be making improvements in this regard, but from what I've seen they're still far behind.

mr100percent
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09/19, 09:46pm | report spam | close Reply |
XP

The same arguements came out when Windows XP was about to be released. Next-Generation Windows! Wizards and managers and eye candy! Whatever will Apple do to compete? Apple competed by releasing Jaguar and Panther and Tiger, and will continue to compete by releasing Mac OS X 10.4 Leopard and releasing Intel-based Macs that can likely have similar benchmarks against Windows.

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When Apple is turnkey

Heavyboots, I do quite a bit of graphically intense web design and have matched the features of mid level graphic programs ($100 range) with open source software on Linux and I actually switched from OS X to Linux and am very happy with it. Apple still outshines Linux in a number of areas like audio/video/dvd and wireless, but Linux is cheaper in that it requires lower powered hardware and the software costs much less. I still keep a Mac on hand but am using it a few hours a week versus 40 hours a week on Linux. The major factor in moving was having to deal with third party developers who still don't support Tiger and others that have stopped supporting Panther and needing to use both those groups of software. If Apple ever becomes a turn key design system I will gladly switch back.

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09/19, 10:25pm | report spam | close Reply |
Easily dismiss

No worries guys. You can easily dismiss this moron. He's been at it before, but for some reason never seems to learn. What can you do.

Check this previous experience with this idiot:

http://imjarod.blogspot.com/2005/08/how-to-pick-right-analyst-for-job.html

MSean101
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09/20, 12:10am | report spam | close Reply |
Apple doesn't want more.

The problem isn't that Apple doesn't take Windows seriously; the problem is that Apple is no longer seriously concerned about increasing its market share. And that's fine. Apple is a majorly profitable niche player and it's happy with its position.

If it wanted to make a run at owning the home computer market, now's the time: OS 10.4 is here with hundreds of features that Windows XP could only dream about and the next version of Windows isn't due out for a dog's age. If Apple wanted more market share it'd be flooding the airwaves with snazzy 'money shots' of what OS X can do and telling people that Windows is a million years behind.

No, the reality is that the people who currently use Macs are in love with their computers and they're in no danger of being swept off their feet by any version of Windows (no matter how many features Microsoft manages to copy from those cool kids in Cupertino). Mac users are trendy, stylish, and in the minority, and that's just how they like it. Apple will let middle America keep their beige Windows tragedies, while the rest of us sit back and enjoy personal computing snobbery and superiority.

(Oh, and I think most shareholders have probably forgotten Apple makes anything other than iPods anyway... those 'Macs,' or whatever they're called are really just a 'side business,' right?)

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09/20, 12:25am | report spam | close Reply |
oh c'mon

MSean do you really think Jobs doesn't give a s*** about expanding Apple's PC market share??? I hope you were being sarcastic.

Seems to me Jobs' plan is to lure PC users to Mac through indirect methods. Like, getting them to buy iPods and come into Apple stores. He's (wisely) putting his energies where they will be most productive. Rather than fighting that 3%-5% glass ceiling directly.

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what you are all missing

Macs are MUCH more than the OS. Macs are about iTunes. (I know it runs on Windows.) Macs are about iMovie. Mac are about iPhoto, iDVD, Garage Band, and when you want to step up, Final Cut and Soundtrack. Don't neglect Pages and Keynote, either. The things people want to do with computers are possible and even fun with a Mac. Digital Media is the word processing of the next 50 years. MS even says so. Apples have always been able to do this better. My G4 500 plays mutiple video and audio streams together perfectly without stuttering. My Pentium M 1.7 latop running Windows can't manage 2!

A Windows machine is good for nothing but crashing. I will admit, that it does VERY well.

PookJP
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09/20, 12:32am | report spam | close Reply |
Out of the sand, people!

I get frustrated while reading many of the dismissive posts in this article because it seems many of you have let your hubris get the best of you. Everything can be lost. And in a market where Apple is still overwhelmingly dominated, an enormous marketing push combined with good buzz could very well hurt Apple. No, I'm not going to get a PC with Vista, but I'm only part of 3% of the population.

Apple needs to pay attention to the other 97% if they don't want to repeat history's failures, and it's an act of sheer arrogance to say Tiger's superiority is all that's needed to keep Apple on an upward trajectory. For one thing, superiority in this case is subjective, no matter what you want to believe. And for another, there are still very real issues of compatibility, application availability, and familiarity that give Windows the upper hand.

Add to that the newness of Vista combined with the PR and advertising juggernaut Microsoft mobilizes and Apple damn well should be careful.

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The will of the people

In my experience, it's not so much the os and hardware that makes Macs special its the users of Macs and the relationship that they have with Apple. Apple has listened to its consumers, and most of them if not fanatically divoted to the brand are objectivaly positibe about Apple. Mac users love (or at least like) Apple, most PC users hate Microsoft. Its all in the love baby ;)

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Nah!

Vista will have so strict a digital rights protection, you may not be able to rip your own music CDs. Vista will require you to buy a new monitor because it requires a digital monitor. Vista will require essentially a new computer to run. This will not be encouraging for most people when they decide to upgrade. Vista has fewer features than Mac OS X Tiger already. Of course, Apple pays attention to Vista. Apple just moves further ahead of Microsoft, while Microsoft tries to clone Mac OS X and catch up.

The game changes a lot though if Apple ever decides to let Mac OS X run on third party hardware. That would change everything.

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Nver underestimate enemy

Remember that M$ still controls and can influence 90 % PC users and developers globally. In my country Apple resellers and distributors and even us faithful Mac consumers are greatly affected by WinTel dominance.

Still more than ever M$ knows Apple has an opportunity to convert a significant market share into potential Mac users. (This is critical because, without a convincing market share, there would be little support from developers which will contribute to gradual market share loss� a self destructing cycle Apple here in my country was trapped a few years back). The goodnews is, after years of being plagued with virus, bugs and so-so interphase consumers are beginning to get tired with M$ Windows. I believe with Mactel, Apple is making the right decision not only because Apple is primarily a hardware company, but it also makes it easier for wintel users to migrate to Mac. I know a lot of consumers easily enchanted with Apple hardware here but are not yet ready to migrate -- and not because they are WinTel zealots. MacTel solves this and interestingly enough even if consumers decide to install Windoze, MacTel would still had promoted OS X to consumers.

MacTel is obviously threatening M$. M$ knows they may have won the OS platform race in the 90s but with MacTel consumers are just a few steps away from ditching Windoze and easily turn the tide. But with previews of Vista coming out, Microsoft is reawakening interests among consumers and software developers pre-empting the possible success of MacTel.

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vista looks horrible

I decided to take the time to look at a few pictures of vista after reading that blasphemous article. All I can say is that vista is absolute rubbish. I mean just look at the damn pictures of the desktop and the windows and etc. It seems like the same exact OS to me other than the see through title bars and etc, which happen to look horrible. The start menu is one of the worst user interface ideas of all time and it seems as if its still around in vista. Some of the icon artwork looks like s*** too. I don't know... not very impressed here.

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Hilarious

Windows Vista (yes, I have run it myself) has caught up with where Apple was around 10.1 a few years ago. I don't think Apple has a whole lot to be afraid of, and the few things they should be careful about they are already dealing with early and pre-emptively. I'm not concerned in the slightest, I'm excited to see this play out and see Apple continue to take over.

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09/20, 05:50am | report spam | close Reply |
Costs !!!

.Net Enterprise Architect (.Net dev tools, MSDN etc...) = $2.900 XCode + Web Objects + Documentation = FREE.

samslaves
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09/20, 05:51am | report spam | close Reply |
Costs !!!

Who is more excited ?

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Marketing

It doesn't matter which product is better. What matters to the consumer is the marketing she/he is going to be hit with.

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Microsoft IS Marketing

This Enderle character is clearly the Shill from Redmond.

One (of the MANY) comments that make me laugh out loud was:

"Microsoft has changed ... They are still light on marketing talent and here the need for capable outside talent remains very pronounced."

C'mon buddy! Microsoft's MAIN talent (along with predatory arm-twisting) IS marketing!

What other company manages to churn out poorly designed... technically AND aesthetically... unstable, buggy and insecure products and have the public and normally tight-fisted (except for management bonuses) corporations gobble it up like Halloween candy?

They have all the money in the world and Vista is 3 or 4 years late? The version they'll release has been gutted of the majority of the "groundbreaking" features that were pre-announced, just so they can release something, ANYthing. And yet they steal as much as possible from Apple in order to make it happen.

Sure, it'll be released in 2006, but on December 31st... just in time to save the embarrassment of a 2007 date on the box.

Marketing Schmarketing. Where's the Beef?

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piece of cr@p article

I aways read Articles with an open mind, even if it's not by a pro-Apple person, when I read: "Gateway, HP, Acer, and even Dell are much more aggressive on design today, often surpassing Apple" I had to dimiss it as a bias piece of trash and stopped reading it. Not even Bill Gates or Michael Dell would utter that c***.

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09/20, 09:16am | report spam | close Reply |
Vista Schmista

Apple isn't just about the OS...

but Winbloz is.

Some mag hacks just don't realize that.

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everyone has opinions

Well here's mine: Apple forces the users to upgrade too, mac-a-bavan. Infact, I can't run Panther on any legacy serial-port enabled G4 (I have 4 of them) without massive hardware upgrades (video, etc) and then I'm limited by the short sighted limitation of only booting off an 8GB hard disk partition. In my furvent belief, Apple is making you upgrade faster than Windows --- a true change from pre-21st Century Apple.

Moving right along. Apple is NOT happy being a niche player. Apple's moved into the grounds it wants: Partnering with Intel allows them to bridge their fundamentals on what computer hardware SHOULD be the maker of the other 95% of computers out there. Whats that mean? Disk mode on a Dell! Why is that good? Because How neat would it be to put someone's new Dimenson into disk mode and copy the files from it over usb on your Mac like we do presently with Firewire Mac to Mac? How about the ability to insatll multiple OSes on one hard disk via partitions and have the motherboard, like a mac, chose which it wants to run without expensive partitionmagic software? That's what Apple really wanted: to define how computer hardware should work and run.

Enter Run: Apple wishes to maintain it's OS it its computer yet give them the ability to run everyone else's OS. Why? More hardware sales. Apple makes more money off hardware than software sales. By their logic, you buy the PowerBook and stick Vista on it.. you'll be dual booting most likely. If you use OS X at all, you'll slowly migrate to it. Making the Mac OS the dominant player.

"Mac" will soon refer to the OS and NOT THE HARDWARE. That's the big paradigm shift here. It's an OS war, not a hardware war anymore.

iPod is Apple's ticket to lure more in, yes. iPod has given Apple a taste of what it wants in computers. Apple is on a good track, I think they are taking Windows serious, and I also think that more Mac users are a bit less trendy than previous posters like to think.

While it sounds cliche to say i drive a bug and own a mac, the reality of this is that how many people say that and will keep saying it in a dedcade? I will. I have an iMac that's 4 years old, it's running fine. And even older hardware. My car is almost 5 years old with no end in sight. I, like many graphic artits, DO NOT UPGRADE ON A WHIM BECAUSE IT IS COOL... that's Windows and fanboy like thing to do. Upgrades are required and necessary to obtain a new functionality, it's not like buying another shirt because it's a different color.. it's like buying burlap over cotton because the burlap will hold up to the weather on your trip to africa better.

rant off...

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09/20, 11:51am | report spam | close Reply |
Excited about what?

I've heard most experts compare Vista to a service pack update. What's so exciting about that? They have removed most if not all of the features that Mr. Bill promised 2 years ago when he announced Longhorn AKA Vista now.

Feathers
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09/20, 12:34pm | report spam | close Reply |
Not "3%" again!!!

Notice a few posters referring to this mythical market share figure and yet again forgetting that it represents NEW & CURRENT SALES!!! The figure does not represent the installed user base ie: EVERYONE who owns a Mac new or old, nor does it acknowledge that anecdotally anyway, Mac users do not replace their machines as often and inexplicably to some PC users, choose to install processor upgrades etc. instead. Please, we know we're a niche but at least get the niche the right size!

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Why all the comparisons?

Everyone seems to miss the point in all this. Comparing Microsoft Windows to the Mac OS X is like comparing pig dung to oranges. Windowws is a stand-alone OS that will run on any ol' box-o-c***. The Mac OS is designed to operate on Mac hardware only. That's not a weakness, that's a strength. Microsoft is a software company that's built itself up by "borrowing" other people's ideas and marketing them as their own (think "Gadgets" here). Apple is a technology company that has been an innovator by creating the total, stable computing platform-- and one that Microsoft has been trying to copy for years.

There's no way that Vista's delay can be a good thing for MSFT- all it means is that they've gone back to the drawing board again, scratching their collective heads and wondering what they did wrong.

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Vista ??

Sorry to rock your world but soon it will be upon you all. Ive read articles here such as a new monitor will be required, other articles about windows xp dressed up, or microsoft adding advertising in the menus even articles about the first Vista virus, as much a virus as leap a. Just how threatened do you feel. Right now im running Vista on a simple pc with simple hardware, (it is version 5472) running like a dream, has been non stop for 5 weeks (NON STOP). Say what you will Microsoft does not whine about its competitors, it also has no need in SELLING a new operating system every year either. Anyhow I still think there is room for both O/Ss just feel your savior steve jobs is a very small minded erm man... Lets see who bailed mac out of h*** a few years ago..who donates the most..who opened a charitable company..good luck Mr Gates you deserve it. Check it out http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/macosx_leopard_preview.asp

I really like the market share part.

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Column: Apple must take Vista seriously

updated 07:30 pm EDT, Mon September 19, 2005

MS Vista threat

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Vista doesn't run on Mac

That's not the question

Yikes

Wrong iKenny

Ignore this guy

It's the viruses

Beh!

yer wrong cause I say so.

Windows finder

Not close

line break

iKenny IS wrong ...

TWIT last week...

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Apples to bad apples

3D windows ...?

Fair and balanced

Re: 3D Interface Goodies

Amen to that

XP

When Apple is turnkey

Easily dismiss

Apple doesn't want more.

oh c'mon

what you are all missing

Out of the sand, people!

The will of the people

Nah!

Nver underestimate enemy

vista looks horrible

Hilarious

Costs !!!

Costs !!!

Marketing

Microsoft IS Marketing

piece of cr@p article

Vista Schmista

everyone has opinions

Excited about what?

Not "3%" again!!!

Why all the comparisons?

Vista ??

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