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Briefly: Nano FireWire; Nano cases; Samsung flash

updated 08:40 am EDT, Mon September 12, 2005

iPod nano accessories

In brief: Apple's new iPod nano (pictured at right) for 4th generation iPods....




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  1. Roehlstation

    Joined: Dec 1969

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    Firewire and Flash Memory

    It isn't that Apple is dropping support for Firewire, it is because flash memory does not work with Firewire. Think about it, how many flash drives, cameras, and so forth using flash memory work with firewire? That is the nature of flash memory. Don't read too much into this.

  1. koolkid1976

    Joined: Dec 1969

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    I got me a Nano

    After 4 years of holding out--and I consider myself a big Apple fan--I went out an got an iPod nano. My first iPod.

    I didn't sit around and gripe that the iPod was too expensive, or that I have no interest to carry around my entire CD collection with me, or that I wanted a color screen, or that I wanted something I could run with. I sat and waited till the right product for me came around.

  1. ibugv4

    Joined: Dec 1969

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    firewire cameras

    Olympus has a Firewire based connection for it's cameras. So, they do exist. Furthermore, iSight should be USB2 but it's FireWire. I'm dismayed that a 4GB plays lacks a firewire option -- this tells me that Apple is willing to do whatever it takes to be #1, I'd rather have them be #5 with a set of morals and promises kept (promises being they introduce an interface that's faster, KEEP USING IT).

  1. Bob_Barker

    Joined: Dec 1969

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    Not quite correct. . .

    "will produce 16GB memory units by the end of next year.... "

    It's actually 16 Gigabit, not 16 GigaBytes. Although it sounds nit-picky, the number is 8 times smaller. The Chips have a capacity of 2GB, and can be arranged in groups of 16, creating 32GB worth of storage.

  1. kebman

    Joined: Dec 1969

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    USB2

    Am I wrong, or isn't USB2 as fast (or nearly as fast) as Firewire? Oh well, the Nano's my next Apple purchase... Firewire or not.

  1. Roehlstation

    Joined: Dec 1969

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    Re: Firewire Cameras

    Firewire is not directly compatible with flash memory, in the case of the Olympus, the firewire is interfacing with a component in the camera that is transfering the flash memory to the firewire interface. Those cameras are large enough to place that component in there. The nano doesn't exacltly have a lot of space in there to add that additional component to satisfy a compatibility when your Mac's USB connection will work. I'm not belittling Firewire, I get firewire devices as often as I can because I know firewire is superior, I am simply offering the obvious explanation.

  1. koolkid1976

    Joined: Dec 1969

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    re:Not quite correct. .

    You are not being nit-picky, thanks for pointing out the error. And now that I went to news.com and read it, the 16-gigabit is used to describe the density. What he heck is density? If that's the same as storage space, why the heck they don't stick with GB and stop confusing people??

  1. technohedz

    Joined: Dec 1969

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    Ars review on page

    "the usage of Toshiba flash memory chips rather than Samsung memory." Uhm...so we have higher on the page 'toshiba flash chips' under the ars review and then here we have the same 'samsung'. Someone has it wrong and I'd be kinda surprised if the ars dissection is that bad. Of course it could be labeling and distribution. I think people are on it when they talk about size. So it has USB2 instead of firewire (USB2 is about as fast as FW400, for some tasks like many small files it is faster, in general it is actually slower. Don't let the 480 v 400 thing fool you.) Also FW is a better technology, designed to scale much higher than the current 800 pro ports and intel has boards w/ fw ports in them now. The only kick in the teeth is the lack of FW in lots of HD or SAT equipment that should have it.

    Is it a big deal if the nano doesn't have FW transfer. Erm no. The nano should compare to the mini for the gripers and whiners (where it demolishes, cleans up, passes 2 environmental impact reviews and 3 historical ordinance cases, moves up past the permit department, rebuilds to a far superior design without coming close to being a 'monster home', then breezes through 3 corrupt city inspectors looking for missing batteries in smoke detectors...in short it owns the mini). But that's just for the nay-sayers.

    I'd compare it to the ipods. It seems to be missing two things. 1) FW song/hd management (I don't think it's great, but if it makes it nice and small and it's still just as useable then fine) and 2) It doesn't state that video to television via dock is supported (please prove me wrong because this is a -).

    Onto what's up w/ the firmware? Itunes 5 has this generic lyric system. Where is the lyric display on the pod and where is the lyric-along synced system so you can see what they are really singing in real time?

    Lastly...You put in a cd, it accesses gracenote and you get what basic album cover? Erm...big HUH @ Apple on not going their own w/ the marketing they have w/ itms labels. Then there are the lyrics..where are the lyrics. Itunes 5.0 should be a killer. It should grab album art, song titles, and lyrics when you rip. Sure someones going to 'would cannibalize itms sales' shut-it, we put a cd in the machine in the first place so the sales a done deal..ain't buyin no itms thing in this example. Then someone will go to rights. Funny that...the lyrics are all available online. Oh but it's not legal..ok how about I own the cd, it has the album art, and it even has the lyrics..what about that one? 'may not be reproduced' I'm not reproducing it, It's either a) a derivative work or b) a fair use backup (nobody is going to say that mp3 players in this day and age are illegal, that's over) So I ask again..where it at cause I ain't running a bunch of scripts to hope the lyrics are there.

    Ok while I'm at it. Why is apple not doing it's own cddb enhanced system?

  1. jmagnus

    Joined: Dec 1969

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    Nano, Shuffle + FireWire

    I believe that Roehlstation has the closest explaination as to why the Nano (like the Shuffle) is USB only. It is not that Flash memory does not work with FireWire, but that the voltage Flash memory uses is much closer to USB than FireWire. The USB spec is for about 5 volts. FW can go beyond 12v. Apple simply did not want to design the required voltage regulators into the already cramped space of the Shuffle or Nano. If you get a pinout for the connector on the Nano (or the adaptor cable) you will find that power from the FW and USB are on different pins (if they were on the same pins and you have one of the Apple cables that has both FW and USB connectors on it and you plugged them both in you would get smoke). The power pins for FW are simply not connected to anything in the Nano.

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