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Michael Dell would like to sell PCs with Mac OS X

updated 12:35 pm EDT, Thu June 16, 2005

Dell on OS X

"If Apple decides to , we would be happy to offer it to our customers," Michael Dell wrote in an email. It's the first time any PC industry executive has gone on record about selling machines with Apple's software. Fortune reporter David Kirkpatrick said executives from several PC companies have told him of their interest in Apple's Mac OS X operating system. "Sadly my sources would not let me attribute these assertions; PC executives are pretty leery of offending Microsoft, which holds enormous power over their businesses." Dell, however, has not been afraid to upset Microsoft. The company has for several years sold servers loaded with Linux, the operating system Microsoft" reviles and dreads."

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testudo
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Misquote

This is a misquote. Because he knows Apple's future is for naught, as he's already suggested Apple be sold and profits distributed to shareholders.

Or maybe its just another sign Mikey is trying to turn into Steve Jobs (sort of like Micheal Jackson turning into Diana Ross, then into a white 'guy').

resuna
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06/16, 01:04pm | report spam | close Reply |
Dell and AMD

Dell's always willing to allow for the possibility of a change in course, he's been teasing AMD fans for years with his on-again off-again hints that "if there's customer demand" Dell will consider AMD processors. On the other hand, he is shipping Linux-based boxes... so to quote Apple's Schiller, "who knows what the future holds?".

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Or maybe a bigger plan

Maybe this is his way to get rid of Apple Computer. He gets a licensing deal, sells Mac-compatibles really cheap, so everyone buys from him (well, everyone except those "I've got more money than I know what to do with, and I'd rather spend an extra $1500 on an Apple computer that'll look nice" crowd), so Apple's hardware sales plummet. Licensing not making up for the hardware shortfalls, and switchers not flocking to the mac like every poster on MacNN thinks would happen in an instant, Apple struggles, offers up massive layoffs from their hardware division, leaving themselves as mostly a software company. Then, in a final nail, Dell decides to no longer support or carry the OS. Now, with no hardware vendors available, Apple, forced to try to start-up again, wastes its remaining cash, forcing them into bankruptcy and finally sold to MS for some magic beans.

That seems more likely to me...

testudo
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06/16, 01:07pm | report spam | close Reply |
Dell servers

Shipping servers with linux is one thing. But I'll wait until its offered as an option on any of the client boxes, or even the option to drop windows (not business here, home users I'm talking about).

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06/16, 01:07pm | report spam | close Reply |
Dare I say it...

If this pans out for OS X on a Dell boxen.... I could have people telling me this phrase and I would be happy with it... "Dude, your getting a Dell"

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06/16, 01:08pm | report spam | close Reply |
Testudo speaks the truth

Testudo is right...Mikey Dell has already flipped Apple the bird several times.

Dell has already ripped Apple away from its education market and now he simply wants to wipe Apple. I mean c'mon...people that have Dells already will gladly pay for the less expensive Dell with Mac OS X than pay Apple.

Sure...OS X would be all over the place if this happened but Apple would lose control over the hardware and eventually become software only. But if Apple can still maintain control over what computer can run OS X and if they don't mind becoming software only...I'd say go for it, Apple.

But they definitely won't have the control they have now.

nativeNYer
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06/16, 01:13pm | report spam | close Reply |
No news to me

Seriously. I'm not surprised by his comments. Mr. Dell may be many things, but one thing he is not is stupid. He knows that offering Mac OS X to his customers will result in additional sales, so why wouldn't he be interested in this? And I don't believe It comes from any respect for OS X, if he has any at all. It's simply a business thought, coming from a business man through and through. If customers demanded sh*t inside a box, he'd sell it to them, no problem. That's what separates Dell and Apple, amongst others. Dell will sell anything to make a buck. Apple will not.

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06/16, 01:26pm | report spam | close Reply |
Dell

Dell = Good Enough (Barely)

Now that Macs will have "Intel Inside" I guess anything can happen, but Dells Running Mac OS X? That would be truly be the sign of the Apocalypse.

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06/16, 01:32pm | report spam | close Reply |
Re. No news to me

"If customers demanded sh*t inside a box, he'd sell it to them, no problem."

In fact, they already do and he already does!

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06/16, 02:11pm | report spam | close Reply |
Won't happen...

Even if Apple starts letting select OEM make boxes with OS X on them. Why?

Michael Dell is on Steve's POO list. And it's very hard getting off that list.

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06/16, 02:26pm | report spam | close Reply |
Hahahahahaha

Michael Dell is hilarious. Everything he says is pure comedy.

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06/16, 02:40pm | report spam | close Reply |
and

it begins..

Feathers
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06/16, 02:48pm | report spam | close Reply |
What makes him think that

What makes Michael Dell think that dealing with Apple or rather Steve would be any easier or less uncomfortable than dealing with Evil Bill? Well, I guess once your bum's been punctured, it doesn't really matter who's "behind" it! ;)

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06/16, 02:55pm | report spam | close Reply |
hahaha....

trevj, that's the funniest thing I've read here.

"In fact, they already do and he already does!"

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06/16, 02:59pm | report spam | close Reply |
Tables are turning...

This from the guy that suggested the only thing to do with Apple is to sell the company and give the money back to shareholders. Nice about face.

ZinkDifferent

vwtreg
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why?

why would a company like apple that has prided itself on having the best OS in the market coupled to the most innovative hardware designs, allow their OS to be slapped onto a white/grey/black box?

Would I want Tiger operating on a slab black enclosure from the early 90's just like everyone else's? Not a chance.

Its all about the total experience. Right?

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06/16, 03:06pm | report spam | close Reply |
Dell might, Apple won't

If, as some speculate, Apple becomes primarily a software company and/or licenses it's OS to other vendors, I think Apple will be very selective about who it will allow to sell machines with it's OS. Dell is #1 in PC sales, but HP has shown a willingness to deal with Apple ie iPod and HP actually invents stuff and tries to innovate. IF Apple does it, I am sure it will be with a large company, and IF Apple does it, I doubt it will pick Dell. But then again, who ever, ever thought Intel would be inside. Without a doubt, Apple's options are wide open.

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re: why?

I know I am gonna get slammed for this one,... but what if Dell, made a DellMac of good quality in terms of reliability, had apple get a good hardware cut of the profits... even if small to large depending on models, but Apple could turn out to make a boodle.

Say Apple makes 500 profit on a 1500 mac. Say they get 100 profit on a 600 dell, normally a 400 box, but upcost for Tiger and mac hardware license. Dell sell far more than 10x the computers Apple does in my opion, so if everyone started buying DellMacs and the Dell profits come from expanded market for OS X boxen... then Apple could not really see a dip in their hardware sales as Dell would be Budget... Apple would be more trendy, design and sheek....

I would buy the Apple for my mainstream use... and a Dell Boxen if more than comparable to a mac mini for server useage etc.

Schools are all about cost... DellMac could fix this to the OS X camp... Those contracts to only buy dell,.. no longer just windows.

Apple should do this only if it helps them expand their OS X marketshare.... which would in turn spur more development of their own apps to further increase the revenues of their Software division... if they can increase the Software sales in comparison with hardware.... they could win win.

Even if they eventually had it so OS X goes on most certified generic intel boxen from HP and Dell etc... then Apple could stand to really take on Micrsoft.... plus they could also produce well designed, but more afforedable innovative designs that will always have the level of sales they have now or more...

Never burn bridges permanently if it can work to Apples favor.... plus it would really piss Bill Gates off.

He would not dare kill Windows to Dell.... that would be like shooting yourself in the foot.

nuff said

ZionCity

vwtreg
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re: why?

How about this. Everyone knows Apple sells most of their hardware at a premium because the Apple faithful will pay for it mostly.

What keeps Apple from selling their product at a lower point? Pride, arrogance, greed, marketing, R & D, overhead, belief that customers will pay premium-what is it exactly?

If Dell can make it cheaper (and let's remember, Dell is mainly an assembler of thousands of outsourced parts) then Apple could certainly build their own certified generic box. Could they not? Would they want to?

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06/16, 03:23pm | report spam | close Reply |
re: re: why?

Hey, Dell's profit margin is razor thin. No way they make $500 profit on a $1500 computer much less to be able to give that to Apple. It looks like you are considering the entire sale price of the coputer as profit, which is not the case.

vwtreg
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06/16, 03:26pm | report spam | close Reply |
Dell

I heard an AD yesterday on the TV for a $299.00 computer from Dell after rebates. Now, the rebates would probably have to be mailed in instead of instant (banking on all those people that forget or say its too much hassle) but the point is, what kind of computer do you get for $299.00.

How good are the components? What's the life expectancy?

porieux
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06/16, 04:22pm | report spam | close Reply |
dell?

I think Dell should call it quits and give the money back to the stockholders.

JEB
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06/16, 04:35pm | report spam | close Reply |
good one

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testudo
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Re: why

Say Apple makes 500 profit on a 1500 mac. Say they get 100 profit on a 600 dell, normally a 400 box, but upcost for Tiger and mac hardware license....Schools are all about cost... DellMac could fix this to the OS X camp... Those contracts to only buy dell,.. no longer just windows.

Well, if they're all about cost, wouldn't they then go for the $400 computer, which gets them 50% more hardware, by the way, then the $600 mac?

testudo
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Re: why

Dell sell far more than 10x the computers Apple does in my opion, so if everyone started buying DellMacs and the Dell profits come from expanded market for OS X boxen... then Apple could not really see a dip in their hardware sales as Dell would be Budget... Apple would be more trendy, design and sheek....

This assumes that the 10x more buyers are buying DellMac boxes, not just Dells, because Apple gets no profit from just a dell box selling. Based on your numbers, Dell would have to sell 4x as many computers as Apple for Apple to 'break even', so to speak.

I don't see that happening.

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bottom line...

Apple will continue selling their own specialized brand of hardware and not license OS X to other computer makers.

resuna
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What kind of computer?

I suspect that Apple's cost for the Mac mini is less than $299. Given that Dell's margins are measured in the low single digits and Apple's are typically over 30%, well, that's the kind of computer you can get for $299 without the "Mac Tax".

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Apple is Going for it ALL

Steve Jobs wants to completely dominate. The only way to do that is to dominate with the Operating System and the Hardware. The Mac OS is going to stay on Apple machines. And Apple machines will be the best machine with the best operating system. Apple isn't going for just the hardware market or the software market--they are going for BOTH. They can see it, and they will do it. Bye, bye Microsoft AND Dell.

resuna
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Reality Distortion Field

Addisonx: much as I would enjoy seeing it, I think you're overly optimistic.

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Would help Dell

Right now, in the PC world, there is an emerging three way dictatorship with Microsoft the OS maker, Intel the chip maker and Dell the box maker. Of the three, Dell is currently in the weakest position, Intel is in the middle and Microsoft is on top. That's because Microsoft has 95% of its market, Intel has 80-85% of its market and Dell has, I don't really know, but less than 80% of its market. Once Apple joins the Intel platform, Intel's position is strengthened (at first by only a few percentage points), Microsoft and Dell are weakened. If Apple restricts its OS to MacTels, the better it does, the stronger intel's position, and the weaker Microsoft and Dell are. The ONLY way around this is if Apple dies (as suggested by other posters) or if Apple licenses its OS to Dell, in which case, Dell would be gain strength against Microsoft. That's what Dell really cares about. Right now, Dell pays MS whatever it must to get Windows for its boxes. If Apple licensed its OS to Dell and it ate into MS marketshare, MS would need to reduce its price to Dell (it can't require Dell not to sell Mac OS anymore, unless MS pays Bush more money to avoid another anti-trust lawsuit.

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06/16, 07:44pm | report spam | close Reply |
F Mikey Boi

F-him.

Apple would do well to stay away from that pile of garbage. Nothing Mikey Boi does is good, nothing.

itguy05
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Dell's quality

"How good are the components? What's the life expectancy?"

Dell's quality is nonexistant.

Let's look at the components of that $299 box: 1) De-Celeron CPU 2) 256MB of shared RAM 3) Slow hard drive 4) Integrated graphics 5) CD-ROM 6) 90-DAY WARRANTY!!!! (WTF - HAVE THEY NOO FAITH IN THEIR COMPUTERS?)

Any way you slice it, Dell makes crapboxes.

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Dell's Marketshare

"Dell has, I don't really know, but less than 80% of its market. "

Dell has only around 30% of the PC market. 70% are smart and don't buy Dell.

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no big deal for them

The only diffence for Dell is if they give the $100 or so for the OS to MS or Apple. They still would sell a machine. Well I take that back there would still be a huge cost to dell for support infrastructure, mac drivers, etc. My recent experience will Dell's support for Redhat on their machines leaves much to be desired.

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Quality

I have a dell and a G5. Anyone who has looked inside the cases can tell the mac is worth every penny. Fit and finish, hidden cables, beautiful circuit boards. The dell feels like a fisher price toy with a mess of cables and sharp metal objects thrown in just to make sure you cut your fingers on something. Even unused ports on the back are cover with a plastic plug instead of being removed from the design.

I gladly pay for the extra overhead that goes into making a consistently well designed product. Sure others may argue that it is a price driven market and the market as a whole generally is.

I own a Mercedes and pay a premium for good design and quality. One of the things to take note of is that MB devision of Daimler-Chrysler took a huge loss over the past few years by selling cheaper benzes. Why? Because they had to cut corners and use cheaper parts, plastic instead of metal, lower grade electronics, etc... This lead to higher failures in larger volumes. Customer satisfaction declined and it hurt sales of the higher priced vehicles. Customers that would have bought more expensive vehicles were tempted by and bought the lower price point ones. Even though the quality of the low end cars still exceeded the quality of the highest end Fords and Chevy, when your brand is built on design and quality you just can't switch out what you stand for and switch to a high volume low price model.

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and ...

people in h*** would like ice water.

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ReL quality

I have a dell and a G5. Anyone who has looked inside the cases can tell the mac is worth every penny. Fit and finish, hidden cables, beautiful circuit boards. The dell feels like a fisher price toy with a mess of cables and sharp metal objects thrown in just to make sure you cut your fingers on something. Even unused ports on the back are cover with a plastic plug instead of being removed from the design.

Ooh, how exciting. Except I just bought a new G5, without a modem, and there's this nice plastic cap on the modem port, just like your Dell. And who the h*** cares whether there's a cap or not? Do you spend the day looking at the back of your computer? Nice to know Apple has suckers who'll pay extra for clean internals (how often do you look inside your computer, anyway?) or spending the money to take ports off the back rather than just save you $50 and leave it there.

I own a Mercedes and pay a premium for good design and quality.

Again, if you want to waste your money. Me, I've owned hondas for more than 10 years, paid nothing compared to what your mercedes probably cost, and only had one problem with any of them (damn spark plug busted on me!). Plus I spend less on regular maintenance.

BTW, for the complaint on the 90 day Dell warranty, for $300, who cares? If something actually breaks after 90 days, you could just replace it real cheap. Some people actually like the option of not having to pay the extra $20 for the 1 year warranty. At least you get the choice.

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Will never happen...maybe

Apple learned the hard way during the attack of the clones (sorry I don't even like those crappy SW movies) about licensing it's OS. I think the plan for the near future is for Apple to sell Macs loaded with X and the ability to run Window, Linux either on a partition, or in some sort of virtual partition. This will only appeal to geeks and give Apple some publicity while the masses really rather use one OS to send email and surf. Apple may and I say a big may enter the white box world. Selling Apple PC's to the corporate world for linux and some form of Windows. I'm not sure of how they would market these boxes but if it works the sales would be nothing to sneeze at.

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Louzer

> BTW, for the complaint on the 90 day Dell warranty, for $300, who cares? If something actually breaks after 90 days, you could just replace it real cheap. Some people actually like the option of not having to pay the extra $20 for the 1 year warranty.

Great, let's see, if I need to buy a new $300 computer every 90 days just because the warranty lasts only that long, that makes $1200 per year. For that kind of cash, I could already be getting an iMac G5 with a nice TFT screen, OS X, etc. And that's not a POS Dell box, it's a Mac. It's beautiful, it works, and I don't have to fiddle with Windows.

Louzer, you're an idiot. Why don't you just try shutting up and stop embarrassing yourself on this board.

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Re: Louzer

Great, let's see, if I need to buy a new $300 computer every 90 days just because the warranty lasts only that long, that makes $1200 per year. For that kind of cash, I could already be getting an iMac G5 with a nice TFT screen, OS X, etc. And that's not a POS Dell box, it's a Mac. It's beautiful, it works, and I don't have to fiddle with Windows.

No, the point is there's a lot of people who like to fiddle around with their box that either breaks the warranty anyway, or they can much easier fix problems themselves then wait for Dell. And if you want the one year, fine, its 20 freakin' dollars. The point is, you get the option. h***, I guess I never knew options were bad (although I should have, since Apple never offers options).

BTW, most computers will crash and burn within 90 days, if not sooner. It doesn't take a year to find out you have a faulty CD-RW drive.

Of course, all you Apple users out there would think you need warranties and extended warranties, as Apple just has had nothing but problems with their computers (iBook video, iMac bulging capacitors, eMac screens, PowerMac fans, etc, etc, etc).

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Fitting handle..

LouZer really is a Looser.....

"Nice to know Apple has suckers who'll pay extra for clean internals (how often do you look inside your computer, anyway?) or spending the money to take ports off the back rather than just save you $50 and leave it there."

Guess all those PC people that spend extra $ on round cables, windowed boxes, and neon are suckers, too? It's well known that a cleaner box has better cooling, which means that your fans work less, and your machine is quieter. The details count and make a quality box. Something Dell knows nothing about!

"Again, if you want to waste your money. Me, I've owned hondas for more than 10 years, paid nothing compared to what your mercedes probably cost, and only had one problem with any of them (damn spark plug busted on me!). Plus I spend less on regular maintenance."

Have you priced a Honda lately? Accords that top out at $32k+ Hondas are actually quite expensive.

Also, since you are suck a cheap-scate, why not buy a Hyundai, who has better quality than a Honda, according to JD Powers (http://www.jdpower.com/news/releases/pressrelease.asp?ID=2005069), gives you a much better warranty (100k powertran vs 3/36) and much better value for your money.

I also guess you don't drive an Automatic transmission Honda? They had to be drug kicking and screaming into recalling Accords, Odysseys, and Acuras because the transmissions grenaded in short order. And it wasn't just 1 or 2 years, rather something obsurd like 99-04 models. You'd think that they would figure it out after 5 years!

"BTW, for the complaint on the 90 day Dell warranty, for $300, who cares? If something actually breaks after 90 days, you could just replace it real cheap. Some people actually like the option of not having to pay the extra $20 for the 1 year warranty. At least you get the choice."

Warranties in general speak VOLUMES about the quality (or lack of) of a product. Many parts fail in short order: CD-ROMS, Hard Drives, and monitors are things I've seen fail quite regularly in the first year and after the initial month or so.

I suspect in short order, Dell will go to 30 day warranties and then do away with them alltogether. That way they can pack crappier components into their boxes and skirt responsibility.

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Another idiot - testudo

"BTW, most computers will crash and burn within 90 days, if not sooner. It doesn't take a year to find out you have a faulty CD-RW drive. "

Sure, the whole box may not, but I've been in the business for a long time and see many failures in days 91-365. CD-RW, CD-ROM, hard drives and fans love to go after the initial period. Seen many go as a marginal component in one of them (esp. CD drives as they are so cheap now) may just take a "little more time" to fail.

Or do a search on "motherboard capacitors" to see a real world example of what happened not too long ago (and many in days 91-365).....

Again, it's not about "options", it's about what faith you have in the quality of your product and how well it's constructed. If it's a good quality product, you will be more inclined to offer a long warranty. If it's garbage, you offer a small warranty.

"Apple just has had nothing but problems with their computers (iBook video, iMac bulging capacitors, eMac screens, PowerMac fans, etc, etc, etc)."

Also add that to Dell, with the smoking servers, exploding batteries, fire-catching laptop adapters, and just generally poor quality.

My advice to most is simple and applies to PC or Mac - Desktop, forgo the warranty unless it's a unique or brand new design (ie: Rev 1). Laptop, take it - you WILL use it at some point, regardless of the manufacturer. Especially if you travel/move your laptop.

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Never happen

This will never happen. I know because all of the Apple fanbois say it will never ever happen and they'd never be wrong.

They told me that Apple would never switch to using Intel chips, and we know they are all right about that too!!11!

/sarcasm

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Apple & Dell

Dell used to sell highly custom PCs with unique motherboards that went together like a chinese puzzle. They were a pain in the bloody neck to support. I won't say they're great machines even now, but they're a h*** of a lot better now they have standard motherboards and other components. You can actually work on a Dell, repair it, upgrade it.

Apple used to sell highly standardized PCs using similar motherboards, the difference between the Powermac G3 and G4 cases and motherboards were relatively small, and they had two styles of processor modules that worked across each line... from the Beige G3 (or earlier, with an XLR8 ZIF adaptor for the PCI Macs) to the "Yikes" G4, and then from the AGP G4 to the last G4 model. They were built like high quality PCs and easily repaired or upgraded. Aftermarket G4 modules that let you run up to 2 GHz are available.

The Powermac G5 is a classic "form over function" design like the Cube or Mac mini. Hardly any expansion slots, to add extra drives people are jamming them in front of the CPU or behind the PCI cards.

I sure hope the Intellimacs are more like the Powermac G4 or generic wintel boxes than the British Racing Car jewel-like and impractical Powermac G5s.

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Would help Dell

F Mikey Boi

Dell's quality

Dell's Marketshare

no big deal for them

Quality

and ...

ReL quality

Will never happen...maybe

Louzer

Re: Louzer

Fitting handle..

Another idiot - testudo

Never happen

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