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LA Times: why rumor sites are still "journalism"

updated 03:15 pm EDT, Thu April 21, 2005

La Times on journalism


Though talented at creating products that "strike an emotional chord with consumers," Apple sometimes projects a "corporate personality as as an oil company," a Los Angeles Times article says. Comparisons aside, the article looks at the definition of a "journalist," which has been a key point of argument throughout Apple's struggle with rumor sites AppleInsider and Power Page. Columnist Michael Hiltzik says the only way to define a journalist is functionally -- "as anyone who hunts down suppressed, overlooked or misunderstood information of public interest (even trivial interest) and presents or explains it to an audience. The medium of publication is irrelevant. Newspapers, magazines and TV and radio services aren't invariably exemplars of serious news gathering; many are brainless, irresponsible or purveyors of propaganda. Conversely, although many weblogs and websites are outlets for wingnuts and noodniks, many others provide trenchant and incisive news and analysis."


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  1. bobolicious

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    My sense is...

    ...when someone signs an nda, Apple expects them to honor the contract - it's not about shutting down rumours, but finding those that have broken their agreement with Apple...?

  1. history1me

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    My butt

    If my butt itches and I write about it, is equates me the title of journalist. How about if I do an expose or deep reporting about it?

    With my crapp, I can join the rest of the LA staff in producing more publicised crapp.

  1. ziploc

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    Journalistic Standards

    True journalism requires fact checking, confirmed facts from multiple sources, and verified sources. If bloggers/fan sites want to play the game and be protected as a journalist they need to learn, understand and play by the rules as well.

  1. jrome

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    I've said it before

    But I haven't said it as well as this. The whole trade secrets thing is bunk, and without a trade secret their is no case. I quote from the article,

    "This brings us to the "trade secrets" at the center of this case. Apple claims that the disclosures deprived it of a competitive advantage. But the websites didn't reveal anything technologically groundbreaking or unique, on the level of the Coca-Cola formula (to cite the quintessential "trade secret"); indeed, several devices resembling Asteroid have been on the market for some time. What Apple lost was its unilateral ability to control the publicity and marketing of Asteroid — something with obvious value to the company, but hardly a genuine trade secret."

  1. gwangung

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    Trade secret

    Unfortunately for the LA Times, what is considered a trade secret is considerably broader than what they try to define it is. A trade secret BY LEGAL DEFINITION is the ability to control the publicity, marketing and specs of Asteroid.

    The formula for Coke is a trade secret...but a trade secret is not just the formula for Coke. It includes customer lists, marketing plans...and unreleased products.

    The whole point of trade secrets is to protect things of obvious value; folks miss the point of the concept if they restrict it too narrowly.

  1. testudo

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    Woohoo!

    Another "blogs are journalists too!" article! Yeah! I was afraid people were going to get bored with the first 2000 articles on this subject!

    Oh, and as for this: This brings us to the "trade secrets" at the center of this case. Apple claims that the disclosures deprived it of a competitive advantage. But the websites didn't reveal anything technologically groundbreaking or unique, on the level of the Coca-Cola formula (to cite the quintessential "trade secret"); indeed, several devices resembling Asteroid have been on the market for some time. What Apple lost was its unilateral ability to control the publicity and marketing of Asteroid — something with obvious value to the company, but hardly a genuine trade secret.

    That's odd. For I thought Coca-cola was a cola-based carbonated drink, like Pepsi, RC Cola, etc. Its hardly 'groundbreaking' or 'unique' (h***, every grocery chain has their own cola drink). It might taste a little different, but, then again, Asteroid would probably work a little different.

    And doesn't the fact that Apple was working on such a device in of itself a trade-secret. By telling people its coming, its not only depriving apple of the publicity, but warns the competition what they're about to face. For example, if someone revealed the original iMac 6 months before release (which would've been fine, right, because everyone made computers, and this was just a computer in a pretty case), and 6 companies jumped out and released cheap-o rivals first, the iMac would've been a complete bust.

  1. tomodachi

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    I just don't get it. Hasn't it been made clear time and again that whether or not bloggers can be considered journalists or not is IRRELEVANT in this case, because in California, journalist are NOT protected for such behaviors as infringing Apple's trade secrets any more than bloggers?

  1. ArizonaJoe

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    Free speech

    It is not for the government, or Apple, or anyone on this board, to decide who is or is not a journalist. The right to speak freely is not granted only to journalists, but to all Americans. If Apple is, in its lawsuit, trying to establish or reinforce a precedent that recognizes freedom of speech only for whomever the courts decide is a journalist - then Apple is officially Public Enemy #1.

    I have no comment on the trade secrets issue because I don't know the underlying legal theory.

    Joe

  1. Swift

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    Not the point

    I don't care if it's a blog or CNN or FOX (many blogs do better). It's irrelevant to this issue. The issue is trade secrets and who revealed, in some detail, what Asteroid will or will not be. They're not going after money from ThinkSecret, they want to fire the guy who leaked the info. Since I can't for the life of me figure out what public interest there is in knowing about Asteroid ahead of time -- when it may be inaccurate, or represent an early form with features that may or may not represent the final product. And the intense competition of the computer market makes some degree of secrecy inevitable.

    I think, for the record, that Apple should adopt somewhat the same strategy about secrecy as OS X takes about its open-source core. Open up partially. Let some details go out unofficially. But it's indisputably their choice.

    If there was the slightest bit of validity about the ecological practices of the country, I'd say, fine, cultivate sources inside and protect their identities, because there, public interest outweighs a company's right to secrecy.

  1. bokubob

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    Way to go Joe

    You completely missed the point of the whole thing, congratulations. You do however have the freedom to say what you want, you do not have protection from me thinking you're kinda slow on this whole thing though. Similarly, people aren't protected from apple enforcing an NDA.

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