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Apple must convert the iPod faithful into QT faithful

updated 06:10 pm EDT, Mon April 4, 2005

Apple, MS & digital video

ZDNet blogger David Berlind says "not only won't Microsoft feel the halo effect of Apple's iPod, it may only be a matter of time before Apple is feeling the ." Microsoft doesn't think that the next version of its desktop operating system is going to suffer from any halo effect being introduced into the market by Apple's iPod. The company may have early inroads into a possible Internet video revolution with Windows Media, which is more widely used than its competitors. Berlind asks, "do you think there's any demand for mobile videos based on Real or Quicktime?" For Apple to seriously challenge Windows Media and Microsoft, it will have to "convert the iPod faithful into the Quicktime faithful." Windows Media and telecommunications networks "will be Microsoft's next franchise. The only hope for an alternative might be Quicktime."

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testudo
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04/04, 06:18pm | report spam | close Reply |
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Inroads with video codecs is a lot trickier than audio, because most of the places that support or want to do video rely on funding from the source companies to pay for the conversions/bandwidth. At least it is in all the 'live' video feeds and news feeds you get on line. And as we all know, MS is alot more free with their money than Apple is.

dashiel
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moron

itunes requires quicktime. it's already winning.

OtisWild
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04/04, 06:43pm | report spam | close Reply |
Easy.

Just integrate video into iPods, and make it easy to rip DVDs for viewing on them. Put iMovie integration into it so you can put your own movies on them. Integrate support with a PVR so you can put your favorite TV recordings on them.

All this can be done now with Windows Media, but only clunkily and clandestinely. It could be so much better if Apple did it as well as they did music.

David Hagan
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04/04, 06:47pm | report spam | close Reply |
Huh?

According to Frost and Sullivan, an independent analysis group Windows Media Player comprises 38.2% of the market, and is flat, where as Quicktime comprises 36.8% of the market and is growing.

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How ...

Simply because a dim wit has a blog doesn't mean that his thoughts and Ideas are news worthy or that they are based on informed research.

cc_foo
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Hoowee

I am wondering: where is the XVID spokesperson?

GaelDesign
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04/04, 08:33pm | report spam | close Reply |
Stupid

The open MPEG-4 standard H.264 is what will take over the market, that Apple provides that via QuickTime. Windows Media is a proprietary dead-end. I trust that the industry isn't so dumb as to allow MS to dominate yet another market. Hmm....OK, maybe my faith is misplaced. :)

JackNN
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04/04, 08:34pm | report spam | close Reply |
Furthermore ...

The dimwit also doesn't seem to know what "halo effect" actually means.

jbignell
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Options

They need to remove the features that stop people from liking QuickTime....give people a pro version! Why do we have to pay extra? Partner with other companies that will use QuickTime like Sony and have the next version of the PS portable play mov file.

My company offers Quicktime streaming and it is hard to get people connected. Hit is hard for companies to support QuickTime!

OtisWild
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Stop the nag..

The quicktime pro nag is HORRIBLE, they need to stop it.

Also, Quicktime can be streamed for free (thanks to Darwin Streaming Server), with free Quicktime live broadcasting plugins (for Pro IIRC). Darwin Streaming Server also uses Apache-style authentication, which is much easier to handle than the c*** that Real uses, and since it's opensource you could hook it into a number of authentication backends like LDAP or SQL databases..

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Faithful

Faithful faithful faithful faithful faithful faithful, faithful faithful. Faithful faithful faithful faithful.

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Faithful faithful faithful faithful faithful faithful faithful faithful faithful faithful faithful faithful.

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so far out of the loop

its not funny its sad. he knows nothing about video and just what does he think a halo effect is? and I was fool enough to give him a hit, although I should know better with ZDNet, the M$ cheerleaders. hope someone sent him those market figures for WMP, kinda funny that 9 out of ten computers run windoze but more people use QT on windoze than there are machintosh users!!!!! that's some halo effect huh buddy?

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Quicktime is showing up

Quicktime is showing up is some new places all the time. Just got my Panasonic Lumix digital camera (it uses a Leica engine) and its format for movies files is Quicktime. Must say it is a great camera and the movies files it create are top notch for the web.

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How about iChat AV?

Hands-down, the most "Ah!" reactions I get from Windows users on seeing me use my Mac are Expos� and iChat AV. When they first see that initial connection...and how smooth the video is...they're blown away. And then blown away again when I set it to full screen.

I know it's pie-in-the-sky, but here's my "Apple should..." statement: I think Apple should take a page from the iPod for its iSight product, and engineer a version of iChat AV for Windows, which of course would require Quicktime to run.

Of course, I suppose that Apple would have to deal with a zillion graphics cards, not to mention all of the hassles of 3 layers of firewalls to deal with to get connections to work. Maybe a built-in troubleshooter in the program that allows the user to know which ports are blocked...and what's blocking them....OK, now, what was the original topic? ;-)

benhur
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battle already lost

I have to agree with the author. Some of you are so really in denial. MS may have this one already won. They haven't even introduced the new XBOX and other projects on the horizon.

Apple cannot afford to sit still on this one. QT being part of iTunes is not what I'd call a victory. I'm not arguing that Media Player is better or isn't a closed format, etc, etc. just that, as the author points out, MS has the early in roads and support (by those who don't know any better) and isn't worried and really shouldn't be unless Apple makes a huge push.

I think Apple just feels that business will just make the right choice and go with the better technology but unfortunately it doesn't seem to work that way. C'mon Apple!

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04/04, 11:59pm | report spam | close Reply |
from the production POV:

WMF has gained ground because Apple has allowed it to. Apple waited around for the MPEG group to finalize it's licensing fiasco, and paid the price. Microsoft saw what Divx was doing and did the same, but incorporated DRM into the package. End-users hate DRM but producers love it. Apple's first iteration of MPEG4 was poor, giving WMF both the quality lead as well as the DRM lead.

All that stands to change with H.264, but only if Apple gets it right with Tiger. Quality will be in Apple's favor, as will open standards, but they must incorporate some sort of true streaming tech and DRM. If they do so, they will most likely gain back most of the ground lost to WMF.

Oh, and I agree - lose the stupid QTPro pop-up.

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...

"ZDNet blogger"

"blogger"

I think I've read enough.

Peter Bonte
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QT needs to have a DRM first, thats why its not yet being used. At the moment there is no real market for large broadcast quality material via internet and the cable-company's protect there territory vigorously against large tech company's. First there needs to be a large demand and content providers willing to cooperate.

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Re: Options

"Partner with other companies that will use QuickTime like Sony and have the next version of the PS portable play mov file."

Movies on the PS portable are already H.264 - no need to partner with Apple here.

Perhaps it doesn't say Quicktime on the PGP, but it seems that the majority is heading towards H.264, so it is actually MS who has a challenge.

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It will be about quality

The reason Real is losing share is that IT LOOKS BAD. WM has the same issues. Look at a video that is available in all three formats, and tell us which you would rather watch. And pardon us for noticing, but MPEG4 _IS_ QT.

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The author of this article is completely ignorant and should bother to check his statements, like this one:

Windows Media, which transcends operating systems (making them sort of irrelevant... you don't even have to buy one now to play back Windows Media-formatted content) and telecommunications networks, will be Microsoft's next franchise.

Windows Media's DRM only works on the PC. Unless MS suddenly reverses it's trend towards ABANDONING the Mac platform, there's certainly no cross-platform functionality. Rather, one platform where everything works, and another platform where you'll be lucky if you can find something to work on WMP.

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Apple must convert the iPod faithful into QT faithful

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Stop the nag..

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Quicktime is showing up

How about iChat AV?

battle already lost

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It will be about quality

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