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Judge delays subpoena ruling until next week

updated 06:50 pm EST, Fri March 4, 2005

Mac websites ruling delay


Apple and a few Mac websites will have to wait until next week for ruling on whether the court will uphold with its tentative ruling, made on Thursday, against a protective order to prevent Apple from gaining access to information on the journalists' and bloggers' confidential sources. In a preliminary decision based on the filed documents by both parties, the Santa Clara County Superior Court ruled that it would allow Apple to seek information about the leaked unannounced "Asteriod" project from PowerPage's internet service provider. Ater oral arguments this morning, the judge declined to issue a ruling from the bench and said that he would deliver an opinion on the case sometime next week. As noted earlier today, if the Court upheld its tentative ruling, lawyers for the Mac websites said they file an appeal, which would delay Apple's subpoena to the ISP even further.

In Court documents obtained by MacNN, Apple said that it had interviewed nearly 30 employees and that despite an "exhaustive, but unsuccessful" investigation it was unable to determine the source of the "Asteriod" leak. In its filed brief, Apple said that it was using "civil discovery" (i.e., the subpoena to PowerPage's ISP) as a means to indentify the defendents in its December 2004 lawsuit against several John Does over the misappropriation of trade secrets. In its argumment, Apple said that O'Grady did not qualify as a journalist because of his verbatim posting of a confidential document as well as that the First Amendent does not prevent a plaintiff from obtaining discovery regarding tortious conduct by the journalist or his source.




The Electronic Frontier Foundation, providing pro bono legal counsel to the Mac websites involved, claimed that a protective order is "appropriate to safeguard the important interests of reporters and the public in preserving the confidentiality of journalists' sources," saying that the journalists were protected under both federal (i.e., The First Amendment) and the California Shield laws and that the ISP was protected under Federal Privilege as well as The Stored Communications Act, passed as part of the Electronic Communications Privacy Act of 1986. Though Apple has not served a subpoena on AppleInsider, it did obtain the right to track down information about AppleInsider's confidential sources. The EFF also asked for a protective for previously open, but undelivered subpoenas, for information on AppleInsider's report.


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  1. Jonathan-Tanya

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    great!

    Well lets get all the comments from the progovernment, antifreedom ppl...

    tell us how new stories aren't 'news', and how making journals isn't 'journalism'...maybe you'll deny that websites are really internet portals... that writing about tech stories isn't '1st amendment'

    go ahead, try and turn the world upside, down, I just wish you'd stick around to try and defend your spurious arguments

  1. l008com

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    Laws

    The web sites do have the right to free speech, and Apple does have the right to protect its trade secrets. Seems like, if anything, the laws themselves are in conflict.

  1. aristotles

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    I have a blog

    Does that make me a journalist? Come on people. Before the internet, only serious journalist were able to publish because it was prohibitively expensive to publish a newspaper. Now any Joe Sixpack with a website is a journalist? Please.

    The lack of technology was a barrier which kept the crackpots out of the newspaper business.

    We need standards of journalism. A degree, certification exam and a peer review board.

  1. Jonathan-Tanya

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    to aristotle

    aristotles, what a strange nickname you chose to represent yourself.

    anyway, if you had lived in a communist country, as I have, you'd know why the constitution in the United States, that protects everyone, not just the few, is a great thing.

    You don't want a government that decides what a journalist is... you want a constitution that applies to all.

    Sigh...its ashame you cannot appreciate what you have. In any event, yes, the right to free speech is granted to everyone, even a web blogger...as it should be.

  1. medmuse

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    Learning

    Jonathan-Tanya, since you are obviously from another Country I will explain it to you. First, don't spout off about "progovernment" and "antifreedom people". I have lived in a socialist Country among several others so I know a little about the World; Don't insult Americans as "stupid". They are why you are free now. Our society is based on the rule of law and, rather than rule by decree, we follow them. the courts will decide this. It is difficult for a ponderous mechanism like the Justicial Branch (you do understand how our government works, right?)to keep up with technology. Right now, if you go to Google's "News source" page, you will find newsletters and letters to the editor listed as "news sources". Right now there is no legal definition that is timely and it, along with civil process being assisted by criminal subpoena power, may be defined by the Courts and legislators if necessary.

  1. Eriamjh

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    Just what is a journalist

    Obviously, they did not argue this validly.

    I say anyone who reports "news" is a journalist. There is no license making you one. You just are.

  1. resuna

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    Journalism has changed

    Back when the constitution was written, journalists didn't have degrees and publications in many case were hand-lettered handbills. The Internet has changed journalism, yes, but it's changing all the time... sometimes back towards its roots.

    I wrote this on my non-blog in 1998:

    http://www.scarydevil.com/~peter/io/harlan.html

  1. Jonathan-Tanya

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    to medmuse

    I'm an american citizen medmuse, I simply mentioned that I've lived in a communist country in the past.

    Other than being really patronizing, and trying to suggest my additional experiences in life are somehow a negative, rather than the positive they really are... you haven't really brought up any particular point.

    Yes, the court's will decide, I never stated otherwise. However, you have missed a serious point...other countries have been down this road before...it was popular in communist countries, these ideas like the government would define who a journalist is...

    the solution aristotles so casually mentioned has been tried, and he may not even be aware, it's the type of solution in countries classified as 'not free' by the world's think tanks on subjects of freedoms. When the government can license, and presumably pull a license, of journalists...the practical reality of such mechanisms, is that you lose the right to free speech. Remember, officially in the soviet union, they had all the freedoms, and it was the other guys who were lacking....officially, but it was garbage. So you find now, that there is this belief that we can restrict free press in all practical ways...and official maintain that a free press exists.

    Right now america still does have a free press, and its a good idea to keep it. Licensing journalists?

    guess what, that is the heart of this discussion...our lovely Apple computer, are trying to introduce into the legal system a new definition of journalist, one that has sparked outrage from the professional journalist community and societies...one, that if it held and succeeded, would spark a new legal concept, a new repression of freedom of press, that Apple computer can take credit for.

    That's why some people take this seriously and understand it is far more than just a trade secret case. Apple isn't trying the usual trade secret case, they are trying to break new ground with new legal theories that will have a chilling effect on speach.

    By the way, you didn't mention if you are a socialist, let us know. It would be nice to know from what perspective you are making your arguments.

  1. Jonathan-Tanya

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    one more thing

    One person suggested that publishing had a higher 'cost' of acquisition in the past, and now, it is lowered such that anyone can be a journalist, and before, there was this sort of natural cost barrier that acted like a sort of natural bar to membership.

    Actually no. First, it wasn't expensive to say, print 50 copies of a one page newsletter. lets say 1975 as an example. Print the first copy on carbon paper, and run the rest through a mimeograph machine.

    Let's say your needs were greater than that, you need a million copies. Well if the price per paper was 25 cents, but it cost 15 cents a paper to print a million copies...your net cost, was actually was zero, you were probably making an astonishing profit.

    So what I'm saying, is if you examine that theory a bit closer, I think it could be said, cost wasn't the issue, relevance was.

    What was hard then, and is still hard now, is not the speaking part, its the having anyone care part. READERSHIP, that is what you can use to determine the particular relevance of a journalistic outlet.

    As for that, if you aren't relevant, you probably do have freedom of speech. This has always been true, even in communist countries, in order to be a threat, you have to have some kind of readership or relevance, otherwise you are just unknown, anonymous.

    I want to also address professional certification....in the field of medicine, and engineering, of course you will see certifications. Its a safetey issue, and also a profit issue. But we don't need such licenses for speech, its a different arena.

    You are a speaker, when you speak. You are a journalist, when you first set up a website to put out the news. Whether you are relevant or not...that is a much higher bar to reach. But remember, if you aren't relevant, then you will enjoy the protections of anonymity. If you are relevant, than you should enjoy all the protections for reporters under the California shield law and the 1st amendment, because it was designed to protect you.

  1. resuna

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    Not breaking new ground

    The question of whether a blogger or an online site (like MacNN for example) is a "journalist" or not isn't new, and Apple isn't breaking new ground here.

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