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Apple proposal: alternative to web forms standard

updated 08:30 am EST, Tue February 22, 2005

Apple submits web spec


Apple is part of W3C splinter group that is soliciting final comments on Web Forms 2.0 specification for creating forms on the Web. The specification "brings a new entry into the race to take forms software to the next level, , supported by Apple along with Mozilla Foundation and Opera Software, is being offered as an alternative to several other proposals, including W3C's XForms, Microsoft' XAML, and Macromedia's Flash MX.


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  1. dave a

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    Terribly biased headline

    The article tells the truth - there are four standards. Apple's hardly to blame; they're working with other, credible groups. Microsoft is there to grab all the standards; Macromedia most likely has a huge, bloated, impossible-to-code standard; and Apple's in league with Mozilla and Opera. Who do YOU think has the most elegant, interoperable, and well-designed standard? Which one do YOU thinnk would be the best for the Net community?

    Bad, bad, bad headline writer. It could just as easily have been "Mozilla, Apple team up for better alternative."

  1. alexkent

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    02/22, 09:16am | report spam | Reply |

    misleading title.

    Apple along with the Mozilla foundation and Opera software formed the WHAT-WG who are producing the web forms 2.0 specification.
    this is hardly Apple's proposal.

    sure there are several different parties suggesting different solutions to the limitations of current web forms:
    W3C's original Xforms proposal was universally poo-poed (released 2003 and still not adopted).
    Macromedia and Microsoft's solutions are proprietary lock-ins, requiring you to either purchase their software (Flash MX2004 for authoring), or in the case of XAML will only play back on their OS.

  1. alexkent

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    02/22, 09:20am | report spam | Reply |

    Macromedia's solution

    re: dave a's comment

    the macromedia flash mx solution is fine to code, the problem is of course that anyone who wishes to create Flash MX content (using their form system or any other Flash element) are required to go purchase a copy of Flash MX.

    unlike other mainstays of the web (html/perl/php/css/xhtml/etc.) which i can just sit down and code from scratch on any platform without having to buy any additional software.

  1. bobolicious

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    02/22, 10:19am | report spam | Reply |

    without knowing more...

    ...I don't trust apple... look at safari vs mozilla - apple subverts various essential security features such as cookie handling, cache clearance, site icons, history, browser identity, default browser preference, etc so the only way to get at these basics is with hacks such as Safari debugger...

    talk about forms - mail still can't get first & last names right when adding to the address book...

    that is why I feel we need open source ware like neo office & mozilla... keep business interests out of standard making... perhaps w3c & mozilla.org should team up...

  1. BillStevenson

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    02/22, 10:44am | report spam | Reply |

    bobolicious

    Perhaps you should observe that mozilla.org is on the side that Apple is on with the webforms, and not on the wide of w3c?

    Also, cookies are in ~/Library/Cookies/Cookies.plist in XML. They're not hiding it - I figure that not too many people micromanage cookies, but if you want to, it would take about ten minutes to write a program to do so, or you can use the Safari debugger - all that program does is use standard interfaces to WebKit/Safari/the cookies/the caches/etc. If you want to get at more right from Safari, "Report Bugs to Apple" under the Safari menu.

  1. madgunde

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    02/22, 11:43am | report spam | Reply |

    bobolicious

    In addition to what BillStevenson said, I'd also like to point out that you can clear your cache using the "Safari-->Empty Cache..." menu option or CMD+OPT+E keyboard shortcut. Also, choosing the "Safari-->Reset Safari..." menu option will wipe all personal data with one option including cookies, history, cache and autofill data.

    Oh yeah, one more thing, you can display cookies from within Safari by going to: "Safari-->Preferences..." click on the Security tab and click the "Show Cookies" button. From there you can remove individual cookies or click the "Remove All" button to clear them all.

    Also remember that Apple's Safari is based on an open source rendering engine (KHTML, one used by the Konqueror Linux browser) and that Apple's improvements are made available to the open source community.

  1. Marshall

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    02/22, 12:54pm | report spam | Reply |

    Not meant to compete

    From the Web Forms 2.0 specification:

    "This specification is in no way aimed at replacing XForms 1.0, nor is it a subset of XForms 1.0. XForms 1.0 is well suited for describing business logic and data constraints. Web Forms 2.0 aims to simplify the task of transforming XForms 1.0 systems into documents that can be rendered on HTML Web browsers that do not support XForms."

    The Web Forms 2.0 project looks like it's simply extending the current HTML form functionality to provide some things that developers have been wanting. It's not trying to be a complete UI description system like XUL or XAML, and it can complement XForms. The ZDNet article appears to be inventing controversy where there isn't any.

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