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Briefly: No keynote broadcast at MWSF?

updated 01:20 am EST, Fri January 7, 2005

No keynote broadcast?

In Brief:For the first time in several years, Apple in the October-December quarter alone.

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Paulrm
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01/07, 02:22am | report spam | close Reply |
Don't bite your nose...

Lovely, so because of the standard rumor machines, Jobs is throwing a hissy-fit and the "rest of us" don't get to see the Keynote live.

This sounds like the third grade teacher that punishes the whole class because one little boy was bad.

Ganesha
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01/07, 02:40am | report spam | close Reply |
Despite this

News will still leak out from people text messaging from the floor of the keynote.

vickys-box
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01/07, 05:26am | report spam | close Reply |
Despite this 2

Where will people get up to date info on the keynote? The rumour sites. Oh, the irony!

vickys-box
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01/07, 05:27am | report spam | close Reply |
Re: Software Crash

There always seems to be one of these when there's a 'big' MS demo.

John Dwight
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01/07, 06:31am | report spam | close Reply |
Gates Crasher

Thanks for the link, MacNN. I'd only heard about it from a reader posting here, and searched the tech sites for news of the crashes; nada, zip, nothing. I'm glad somebody decided to cover it. This wartime news model is getting on my nerves.

JamesKass
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01/07, 07:08am | report spam | close Reply |
Brilliant!

Yes vickys-box, they'll get the info from the rumor sites. Perhaps Jobs is hoping for a nice, painful slashdot effect from all of the added bandwidth.

medmuse
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01/07, 07:58am | report spam | close Reply |
And..

"Apple's new advertising agency has released a statement explaining that there will be no advertising of any products from the event.
'We're frankly surprised ourselves', said a spokesman, 'We had a whole campaign ready but Steve said he would sue us. He called us yesterday, furious, and wanted to know where we got our information. Thank God we're still getting paid.'"

Dalhectar
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01/07, 08:20am | report spam | close Reply |
Re: Gates Crasher

Story was on AP, CNet, Slashdot.

ecrelin
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01/07, 08:39am | report spam | close Reply |
poor little rich kids

adage heaven; the more things change the more they stay the same, Jobs is pouting and acting irrational like he always has and Ol' Billy is as out of touch as ever, oh and Bill here's another old saw, what comes around goes around, do you think it was adware or spyware that took that PC down or maybe the crappy coding you've foisted on everyone for years and years, hmmmmm? Thank God for Conan though and his question was valid, is it the AV dweeb from grammer school in Bill or the ranting sweating buffoon, "drinkin' buddy" Ballmer?

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01/07, 09:04am | report spam | close Reply |
out of touch?

Out of touch are those who are complaining about how Jobs canceled the keynote stream when there were no keynote stream announcements to begin with. Some of you need to relax. This isn't the first time Apple announced major products and then posted a keynote stream later on.

mouseketter
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01/07, 09:29am | report spam | close Reply |
Moto and iTunes

Apple won't even let Motorola show a iTunes enable phone.
It was supposed to be introduced last night (for a Spring 05) launch. Apple said that they were afraid that a competitor might see it and steal the idea and rush a competing product out.

With that logic I can't see Apple ever showing off any new product ahead of time ever. I do notice they are not at CES this year.

Is it there new policy to sue anybody that talks about any future product and not show it to the public until it is already in the stores?

As a sidebar to that Microsoft entertainment thingy. I am not surprised it crashed and could not be shown. In a local shopping mall MS and Intel had a kiosk showing off this thing. It is basically a $1,500 TiVo. I have tried twice to see the demo on both occasions it crashed. I noticed last week it was no longer in business.

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01/07, 09:39am | report spam | close Reply |
Re: don't bite your nose

Lovely, so because of the standard rumor machines, Jobs is throwing a hissy-fit and the "rest of us" don't get to see the Keynote live.

Love that logic. How exactly is 'cancelling' the keynote webcast going to ease Job's pain about the rumor sites? I mean, its not like its a private event. If he wanted to teach the rumor sites a lesson, he'd pull their passes. He'd get his hacker buddies to pull a DDOS on their site (or just have his buddies keep downloading content, boosting their bandwidth costs...hit 'em where it hurts Steve!).

Now, what's MORE logical (and, yes, some people actually do things in a 'logical' way), is that
(a) Apple's NOT going to be announcing any of the stuff the rumor sites keep saying they're going to announce
(b) with the rumor sites rumors, interest in the keynote will be high
(c) Apple figured, because of (b), that the webcast will draw a big viewership, which means big bandwidth
(d) because of (a) and (c), Apple decides not to webcast to save money and reduce the pissed off nature of people who either couldn't get the stream because Apple didn't have the bandwidth and power to run it for all the viewers, or that they wasted two hours watching it to find out nothing really new was announced.

BTW, if Jobs was throwing a 'hissy fit', wouldn't he just cancel his keynote and send Schiller out there chanting "Developers!". Or, isn't it more logical that his 'hissy fit' isn't the non-showing of the keynote, but cancelling the showing of new products at the keynote, thus there be no need for a webcast.

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01/07, 09:56am | report spam | close Reply |
Re: out of touch

This is the first time in almost a decade that there haven't been publicly available satellite coordinates for public viewing of the live event.

So no, these folks are not out of touch.

The keynote will still be shown live via satellite at Apple Corporate-controlled facilities. (NO, not Apple Stores.)

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01/07, 10:09am | report spam | close Reply |
Protest

I heard a rumor about a week ago that a few of the rumor sites had banded together and were going to make a very vocal protest half way through the keynote. Maybe this has something to do with SJ decision not to air the Keynote live?

ecrelin
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01/07, 10:10am | report spam | close Reply |
actually it is private

Originally the keynote was for paying attendees of the MacWorld events ONLY. the original webcasting was to show off streaming Quicktime and it was in actuality a disaster for years. Steve's paranoia and odd behavior is well documented and has cost him good employees, friends and marketshare although this may have nothing to do with it, it could be IDG who wants more people to attend. Steve's problem is he is probably too in touch, read micromanagement, if you read my post correctly you'd see that it's Mr. Gates who I infer is out of touch.

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01/07, 10:32am | report spam | close Reply |
If AI is correct

Then Jobs pull a rather stupid and emotional move. I would guess that mac fans jump on the net to watch the keynote online- not hosting one, simply because of some web leaks, is a pretty irrational thing to do. I mean, what are they thinking, that somehow a rumor site will travel forward in time, rip off the keynote, and release information to the public before Jobs even speaks? The keynote is REALTIME for god sake- mac users are finding out info the same time as everyone else.

Myself I don't care all that much, because typically 3-4 mac websites put up a live-updating blog with posts telling you what's going on during the keynote. But I bet a lot of people with broadband are going to be pretty annoyed at apple for not hosting the keynote live.

More traffic for mac websites, less traffic for apple.com. Pretty stupid if you ask me (especially if the decision was made based on some silly rumor site leaks.)

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01/07, 10:44am | report spam | close Reply |
Assume much?

Apple has been moving away from live broadcast and more toward making video available after the show. There's nothing in the memo to indicate this was a decision to "pull" the feed, that this is in reaction to anything, or that Steve Jobs had anything to do with it.

AI and others ASSUME this was Steve having a (imho well deserved) hissy fit, but in fact, this is just Apple deciding to, once again, not do the live broadcast.

paulc
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01/07, 10:49am | report spam | close Reply |
Typical...

Petty, mean, vindictive, and childish. Keynotes have been webcast for many, many years, therefore there is an expectation they will continue to be. The clincher here is that they won't even be shown in stores.

Hissy fit all right.

dece
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01/07, 10:53am | report spam | close Reply |
Also...

I think we all know that if Steve Jobs is going to punish you, you're going to know you're being punished. There would be a press conference, Steve would tell us all that, due to the bad behavior of Nick dePlume and others they are canceling the keynote broadcast.

Then, of course, there would be "one more thing," in that nobody is allowed to leave the room until someone tells him Nick dePlume's true identity, and to help you along, introducing the iTorture.

z10n
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01/07, 10:58am | report spam | close Reply |
Originally private or not

Apple needs to understand that mac users want to see Jobs' keynotes. It's part of the fun of being an apple fan, to watch Steve strut his stuff on the floor and do the "One more thing..." thing. It's expected, and regardless of the history, apple had to know that mac users would be upset if the keynote broadcast was pulled.

Which brings up another point. IMHO, apple has made WAY too many destructive decisions over the last 5 years- seemingly not considering AT ALL how mac fans might react to what they do. I'm sorry, but you don't win new customers by pissing off the old ones. Yes, there are some irrational things that mac users expect of apple, but come on! Half of the problem is apple's own damn fault: hyping up their products and focusing on nothing but brand. Unfortunately for apple, brand is a two way street. You can't create the brand, get people hyped up in it, then pull the rug out from under them without ruffling a few feathers.

A company needs to respect it's history and the expectations of the majority of it's customers. I'm not saying a company can't change. But when the change is as abrupt and unmediated as the way apple seems to do it (without consideration of customer expectations), then the company has to be prepared for customers who will get angry enough that they might choose to never deal with said company ever again.

And if it's Jobs that's doing it, then apple shareholders might want to seriously consider what affect he is having on the company.

piracy
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01/07, 11:12am | report spam | close Reply |
Re:actually it is private

Sorry, but you're completely wrong. The keynote was never "private", and, additionally, the ONLY keynote that been occasionally NOT made available to the public via satellite has been WWDC. Never MWSF. All MWSF keynotes since Steve Jobs' return to Apple have been publicly available via satellite. This is the first keynote where that's changed.

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01/07, 11:14am | report spam | close Reply |
Re: Assume much?

You, too, are completely and utterly wrong. Apple has not been "moving away" from live broadcasts and webcasts. The ONLY keynote that has occasionally not been broadcast live via satellite and/or QuickTime stream has been WWDC. The MWSF keynote has ALWAYS been available, live, via satellite, and publicly accessible. This is the FIRST keynote where that is not the case.

dece
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Wrong? Not so much...

No, Piracy, it is you who are wrong.

As one who marks all Apple keynotes, press conferences, and special events on the calendar, and who, as a term of employment, insisted on receiving personal time off to watch these broadcasts, I think I know what is and what isn't broadcast live.

When you consider ALL Apple media events, not just the keynotes, we see a definite trend AWAY from live broadcast and TOWARD making a stream available after the fact.

In fact, despite the fact the MWSF keynote has been sort of the last to go, I feared, and indeed expected, this year's event would not be broadcast live, long before the dePlume Papers.

chas_m
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01/07, 11:44am | report spam | close Reply |
Disconnect Syndrome

Bill Gates promises a "rich" digital future, even though he can't get his own equipment to work right or consistently, and blithely ignores the problems.

Gee, does that sound like any OTHER important leader you know of?

piracy
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Re: Wrong? Not so much...

Again, but no, you are completely wrong. You have absolutely no idea who I am, so, on that front, STFU. (But you might want to visit the forums to give you an idea.)

Secondly, no, Apple has most certainly not been "moving away" from live broadcasts and webcasts. "Moving away" implies a trend. No such trend exists.

And just to reiterate, I don't really care what you think you have and haven't marked on the calendar:

- WWDC keynotes have NEVER been consistently broadcast live. There has been no trend one way or the other.

- Macworld keynotes (including the east coast shows, before Apple stopped attending) have ALWAYS been available, publicly, via satellite, since Steve Jobs return to the company. Always, without exception. No. Really.

- Even Apple|expo and Macworld Tokyo keynotes have been available via satellite

- More specifically, this will be the first year since 1998 that the Macworld Expo San Francisco keynote will not be broadcast live via satellite, publicly available

The *webcasts* are slightly less consistent, but there have also been live webcasts available for ALL Macworld San Francisco keynotes since 1998. This will also be the first year no live webcast is available.

So in sum, you're wrong, There has been no trend; this is a NEW occurrence. "NEW" meaning something that hasn't happened before, which is 100% true about MWSF specifically. And there has been no trend with regard to the other major US show with a Jobs keynote, WWDC: it has been broadcast live via satellite and/or webcast about half the time (with more instances via satellite than webcast), with all other times being delayed.

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01/07, 12:17pm | report spam | close Reply |
Gates Crash--Old Apple Ad

I smiled when I heard that Microsoft suffered TWO glitches during its presentation. It reminded me of that old Apple ad where a presenter at a conference is having trouble with his PC. The audience starts yelling out helpful suggestions..."Try typing sys edit dot e-x-e"..."Check your autoexec dot bat". Finally someone yells, "Get a Macintosh!"

Here's the ad:
http://lib1.store.vip.sc5.yahoo.com/lib/redlightrunner/crowdcontrol.mov

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01/07, 12:35pm | report spam | close Reply |
Jobs is a two-year-old...

And this is his tantrum.

No logic, just lashing out.

What benefit does not streaming the keynote provide? None!

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01/07, 12:51pm | report spam | close Reply |
welcome to apple newbies

�since Jobs' return. Bah! Apple fans, users and supporters have suffered many long years of disregard when Steve was around in the beginning. He wasn't booted in the first place for no reason. His return and the web casting of Keynotes, which I will say again, was only done to promote the "new" streaming QT technology was not to set a precedent of "openness". Steve does things HE decides, if he thinks broadcasting the keynote is a good idea then it is until HE decides it's not. If he liked using a two button mouse we would all be enjoying the benefits, instead most Mac users are clueless to the benefits and don't even know that it has been supported out of the box since OS 9. Is that good or smart? He doesn't care. Stop thnking you are important in the decisions apple makes. Loving the product and hating the company is an Apple tradition, ask any independent reseller, and many employees. So point your fingers at each other but there may be NO rational explanation. I like the one about rumor site guys interrupting it, he would definitely cancel it for that, we're talking vanity here guys, Gates has had multiple system failures in his keynotes, if that happened to Steve people might "mysteriously" begin to disappear. hee hee

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01/07, 12:54pm | report spam | close Reply |
Trending downward

Piracy,

You have no idea who I am, so maybe you should STFU.

No, I'm just kidding. I mean, it's true that none of us really know who the other is, but, you're right, like the contents of my calendar, what does that mean? Nothing, really.

Anyway, I think we're disagreeing about the same thing. By that I mean, you're saying every MWSF except for this one has been live, and I'm saying recently there's been a short term decrease in the amount of things being livecast. I really think we're both right. These things are not mutually exclusive.

Sorry if I came off too strong, rubbed you the wrong way, what have you.

So, to rephrase my original statement, I'm disappointed, but not necessarily surprised, this keynote will not be live, and I do not think this is punishment for Think Secret.

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01/07, 01:33pm | report spam | close Reply |
watching yesterdays news.

So- why even post the keynote afterward?
We'll already know the ending- it's like watching the superbowl after you've read the game synopsis.
I don't HAVE to be a part of the Apple family- I CHOOSE to be a part of the Apple family by taking time away from work to watch (in the past we ordered pizza- and gathered in the conference room to watch). Apparently, Apple doesn't want us to be a part of the family- we have to rely on the very rumor and news sites that they are suing to get the information in a timely matter.
This makes no sense. And as a technology company- showing off quicktime's amazing quality compared to M$ WMP c***- this is a great opportunity.
I would even pay $5 to watch the stream- how's that Mr. Jobs... and I bet others might too.

in the meantime- I'm disappointed.

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01/07, 02:30pm | report spam | close Reply |
Re: Trending downward

Regardless of the semantics of our discussion, I think we can agree on this:

That a live, external source for the keynote is not available is a disappointing turn of events.

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Pissed!

Hehe, Jobs is pissed.. I guess 7-8 random employees were fired this week.

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I'll miss it....

I've taken the time off of work the last few years to watch the Keynotes in my local Apple Store. It's been a blast every time and I am sad that it will not happen this year.

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re: Pissed!

I believe what you mean to say is... Steve is just RIPE to fire 10-15 random employees this week. :)

I stopped watching the live feeds a couple years ago, because I could never get a steady stream with the video, whether I was on the T1 in college or cable at home. The best I can do is audio, but then it's not much different than just refreshing MacNN every few minutes.

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The Public Crash Score...

...is now

Microsoft - 2
Apple - 0 (unless someone can correct me)

Here's the first clip I've seen on MS crashing: http://www.windowscrash.com/albums/movies/gates_30_240.mov

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