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12/10/2004, 5:55am, EST

Friday, December 10th

Postal 2 for Mac OS X ships, Apple refuses title

Running with Scissors is now shipping Postal 2: Share the Pain for Mac OS X. The FPS (first-person shooter) is powered by the Unreal engine and features an open-ended storyline, where players have the option to use as much, or as little violence as they wish to finish the game. The controversial game has been given a M-rating (Mature audiences) along with a first-ever "Intense Violence" sublabel from the ESRB. Apple (as well as CompUSA) has declined to carry the controversial Postal 2: Share the Pain title in its online and physical retail stores, according to the developer. Postal 2 offers both single and multi-player modes (Snath, Grap. Deathmatch, Team DeathMatch) as well as 25 characters, 14 multiplayer levels, a built-in server browser, and a level editor. It is available exclusively online for $20.

"The company that brought us the famous '1984' Superbowl commercial has obviously become Big Brother," remarked Desi. "The Mac market is regarded as the most mature, sophisticated demographic in the home computer world. But Apple obviously doesn't feel its users should be able to make their own choices when it comes to the software they buy for their Macs."


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Congrats to Ryan
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12/10, 6:28am, EST
Congratulations to Ryan Gordon, a stellar member of the gaming community, for bringing another game to the Mac, regardless of what others may think about the content. Thank you!
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No "Big Brother" Scenar
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12/10, 8:30am, EST
The accusations of Apple becoming "Big Brother" are fraught with ignorance and absurdity. Apple has no obligation to sell any piece of third-party software that they don't want to. A real "Big Brother" scenario would be when private businesses are forced by the government to sell certain products. Also, this is not taking away any choices from Mac users. They can choose to buy the game from the maker or elsewhere if they so desire.


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It's interesting
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12/10, 8:46am, EST
The game is banned in New Zeland, and that is justifcation for me to plop $20 down for my own copy -- and I hate FPS games!
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YES "Big Brother" Scena
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12/10, 8:49am, EST
Save the effete snobbery for someone who cares, jerk. Censorship is alive and well at Apple, from their pulling of the Dalai Lama in their "Think Different" advertising (so as not to offend China, a nation of opressive sc_mbags) to this latest supression of creative expression.

Apple should be supportive of ANYONE who wants to make games for this platform.
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Not Censorship
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12/10, 9:06am, EST
> Censorship is alive and well at Apple

You completely misunderstand the idea of censorship. This game is not being suppressed at all. According to your way of thinking, if you asked me to advertise your product on my web site and I refused, I would be censoring you. That is illogical. No one has the right to force anyone to sell or advertise their products.
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I understand
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12/10, 9:28am, EST
Postal 2 is not inline with the "family sense" of the Apple stores. I understand why they do not want it on their shelves.
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Find and replace
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12/10, 9:56am, EST
If we replaced 'Apple' with 'Wal-Mart' and 'Postal 2' with 'America: The Book,' I wonder how this discussion would change...
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Good Call
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12/10, 9:59am, EST
Cheesy web site, "seen it, been there" game concept... I'll pass but I won't deny it might have some appeal to others. I applaud any developer, particularly a games developer, for supporting the Mac, but this game really wasn't filling a niche that hasn't been filled 300 times over already.

Postal2 does come across as a gratuitously violent title and concept, regardless of the merits of its developer. Apple doesn't have to endorse this or any other product, and for the time being probably no longer has to pander to game developers imploring them to support their platform. Strategically, Apple most likely made the right call here. A scant percentage of their computing hardware income is derived from the target market for this game, so there was little to lose in taking a stand.

The controversy behind this story will fade only slightly faster than the sales of this title.
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Re: Find and Replace
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12/10, 10:14am, EST
It wouldn't change at all. If Apple changed the graphics to happy fun imagery and cleaned it up and sold it, claiming it was the original, then that would be more similar to Walmart.

jvputten, Monstermind answer these questions: do you think a store should be forced to sell any product that is available? Do store owners not deserve freedom to choose what they sell?
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Re: Find and Replace
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12/10, 10:16am, EST
FYI, I was talking about Walmart selling CDs. As for America the book - no it wouldn't change. I couldn't care less if Walmart decides not to carry a book. That's their right.
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