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eWEEK: Apple makes play for NT orphans

updated 06:50 pm EDT, Fri July 9, 2004

 

Apple\'s play for NT users


An eWEEK article talks about , noting that Apple is planning on providing an NT migration tool as part of the Mac OS X Server 10.4 Tiger release, due out in the first half of 2005: "Goguen said Apple expects more than a few Windows Server customers to continue to shun Active Directory. They are offering Apple's plain-vanilla LDAP (Lightweight Directory Access Protocol) directory as an alternative. And with Microsoft retiring NT 4.0—it stopped supporting client versions June 30 and will stop supporting the server version at year-end—Apple thinks the time is right to try to win the hearts and minds of the disenfranchised Windows Server base." The article, however, notes that Apple's (high) pricing remains a concern for potential customers.


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  1. Gandhi

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    07/09, 07:24pm | report spam | Reply |

    Eh ?

    High pricing ? Tell them to price out an upgrade to Windows 2003 Server. 25 users runs about 3-4 grand for the software alone. 3-4 grand gets you an G5 server AND unlimited client licences.

  1. olePigeon

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    07/09, 07:52pm | report spam | Reply |

    Don't forget about fees.

    Microsoft also charges annual licensing fees per user. Every year you have to pony up money just for the privilege of running Windows. Ain't it great?

  1. macnews

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    07/09, 10:55pm | report spam | Reply |

    price - what a joke!

    Apple's big sale point is it's server price. Kind of ironic given how much people b**** about the price of the consumer machines. Having just bought an Xserve w/Raid (upgrading a G4 OS X server) I priced and Apple was cheaper than a windows system. I couldn't belive the price per seat. Good luck Apple.

  1. pdot

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    07/09, 11:00pm | report spam | Reply |

    way to go Apple

    I'm not the targeted market, but it's good to see Apple giving it a shot at wooing more NT users.

  1. msconvert

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    07/10, 11:25am | report spam | Reply |

    Re: Don't forget about f

    Not sure when the last time you bought NT, but there are no user "fees" for most small companies. My lab has been running for the last 5 years with the only cost being a migration to 2000 for a per computer price not user. The only reason to pay a per user fee is if you have a great number of users (100s or more I haven't hit the limit) or you have negotiated a piss poor contract directly with M$.

    That said, I am glad Apple is finally taking the business sector seriously by offering great product providing alot more than a windows server for a lot less - especially when it starts with the up front costs.

  1. gudin

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    07/10, 12:50pm | report spam | Reply |

    user fees

    Well, msconvert, ummm.. no. If the poster had a problem, it can be understood considering the ridiculous complexity of MS's licensing. They have "per user", "per server" and "per computer" licenses... and maybe per connection (and God knows what else). I recently went to a windows techie site to try and figure it out because my company was trying to budget. Basically, no one knew for certain after days of discussions.

    There are lots of reasons to pick per user (assuming you're not going to go the much cheaper route of picking OS X Server)...that's what we did when we went to win 2000 from NT a year and a half ago.

    If you upgraded to the latest (although over a year old) MS Server software, you'd also have to get new CALs for each machine that connects to the server (or each user, or...whatever).

    Sounds to me like you may be violating MS Licensing!

    Heh.

  1. aer

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    07/10, 11:22pm | report spam | Reply |

    hey Apple

    I sure hope Apple's "NT Migration" tool works better than the "Net Info Migration" tool supplied in Panther Server (for migration from OS X.2's NetInfo to Open Directory). Otherwise, this will just be another black eye for Apple's sneaky entry into the Enterprise.

    Actually, if it even partially works, that will be better than what the Net Info Migration tool did... nothing.

  1. AlenShapiro

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    07/11, 12:31am | report spam | Reply |

    One big lack

    My customer banks will need MQ server and client before they would consider switching away from Win32. Anyone know if MQ is being ported to MacOS X by anyone (need MQ C libraries too)?

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