Wow! This is weird! I have my PowerBook and I'm perfectly happy to play my songs on it. I was trying to use Hymn so other people on my network would be able to listen to those songs I bought from the iTMS. Now, I learn I have to buy an iPod in order to use the app? What's the logic in that?

""You know, I just might buy an iPod just so I can use this app."

Yea. Because DRM'd song only had unlimited transfer to iPod. With this software you will now have...umm..unlimited transfer to iPod. I hate when people make silly illogical comments.""

I need an iPod to decode my songs since I won't run Windows. I can then play those songs on my T3, Linux box, or anything else I might want to play them on. Not just Apple products. Feeling a bit more stupid?

I hate smarta$$es.

"Hymn allows this sort of "fair use." "

Using any program that violates the legal disclaimer or terms and conditions of the music you've purchased is illegal. I know people get in a huff about wanting to use "their" music wherever and whenever they'd like - HOWEVER you agreed to abide by the legal conditions of the DRM when you downloaded and installed iTunes.

Simply stated, if you do not like the DRM of iTunes, go buy the CD. You know, CD's? (They look like little records and are silver on one side.) The amazing technology of the CD allows you to play your music wherever there's a CD - you don't even have to buy an iPod! Wow!!!

I love how these forums allow people somehow justify that breaking the law is ok... geez.

How does your comment clarify what I wasn't getting? he is going to buy an iPod, so he can remove the DRM from a music, so he can use the same music on another MP3 Player.
Sure you can buy a car to go with the tires you already have. It is logic. But reverse logic.

p.s.
Logic also dictates that I should be 28 this year. Not 26.

I have just written a terms and conditions that states that any user using a handle that contains the spelling "ipod" therein will be persecuted by all extents of the law. ipod21, you will be hearing from my lawyers.

Please people, Apple does not make laws. Laws are interpreted, which is what Apple has done with their "term and conditions". Laws, if necessary can be changed. Take the act of "fudge packing" and probably soon "q**** marrage" for instance. Texas fudge is now on the menu.

Besides, "Let those who have not sinned throw the first stone." -Jesus Christ

What do you NOT understand? I don't want to play my music ONLY on an iPod or Win/Mac machine. I don't even have a Windows machine. I want to not have to purchase 2 iPods if I want more than 1 portable device in my household. For instance, my Tungsten T3, with a 256MB SD card, goes everywhere I do and that is where I want my music. My wife can have the iPod. I also want to be able to stream my music to my home stereo and intercom using network attached audio devices. I might want to share out my music folder to be able to play the music on my Mac on my Linux machine that resides in a different room. I want to be able to purchase music from iTunes and use it in my home any way I wish. Apple has a great product, but doesn't address all my needs or desires. Besides, God forbid, if I decide that Apple no longer serves my needs and I move on to live solely in Linux, what happens to all that wonderful music I have the right to listen to, or am I just privileged for using Apple products?
Currently my options are very limited, and those I have do not leave me with the same product I purchased to begin with.

I don't think you are stupid, you just have a very very limited vision.

Ok, so I can choose not to buy iTMS files, and buy a CD instread that I can rip. Problem is, all the record companies have already stated that you will ONLY be able to buy copy protected CDs that you can't rip. So now I'd have to buy a CD AND from the iTMS to use my iPod legally. I think not. This is double dipping. CDs soon won't be an option for people with portable players like the iPod.

How sad...

Andy

Forget copy protected CDs. They're going to be hackable in raw mode and the industry is not having an easy time seling these. I buy CD's and rip them all the time and the only time I had an issue (during seeding of one of the protections) I exchanged the cd for an unprotected version (all subsequenty releases were unprotected) for free. I can only say that the US and UK protection is competing w/ the deployed players and protection is just not going to work.

What's the audio topic now? Lossy verses high fidelity. We are being sold a format shift in high fidelity so everything can be re-released in sony's proprietary SACD format or in DVD-Audio (DTS and Dolby Digital 5.1 etc...) A lot of things are now in that section of your local music store and soon won't be anywhere else..you want to replace that cd you bought in 1986 because it decayed (yes, i've seen this happen and it must just be random) better do it now because you'll soon have to get it on dvd.

The problem is the lack of universal connectivety and copy protection within HT and Home Audio component systems. In the UK it will be quick. In the US give it about 3 years. Then one more and 75-80% of the things you find in a music store will be dvd of some kind or other.

If you wear headphones you buy in stereo. When CD's go the highest fidelity will be an issue for portable players (but right now apple lossless is a damn good thing for archiving to big discs). Since ITMS songs are what we choose and believe represent the best quality sound in commercially available songs, we should have forward looking DRMS that allows for fair use.

I want to play this on anything. Too bad apple dropped the ball not deploying Quicktime on everything. Why am I using real on my palm?

>Using any program that violates the legal disclaimer or terms and
>conditions of the music you've purchased is illegal. I know
>people get in a huff about wanting to use "their" music wherever
>and whenever they'd like - HOWEVER you agreed to abide by the
>legal conditions of the DRM when you downloaded and installed
>iTunes.

It doesn't matter what the "terms and conditions" are. I BOUGHT the music- it is mine to do with what I like. I didn't rent it from Apple. They made a big deal about the fact that i OWN the music. Once I own something, I can do what I want with it. Its the same as a CD in this case. And what if- God Forbid- Apple goes out of business? Now I can't authorize my music to play it. All of that money down the drain.

>Simply stated, if you do not like the DRM of iTunes, go buy the
>CD. You know, CD's? (They look like little records and are silver
>on one side.) The amazing technology of the CD allows you to
>play your music wherever there's a CD - you don't even have to
>buy an iPod! Wow!!!

But why should I when I can just strip the DRM? It makes no sense.

>I love how these forums allow people somehow justify that
>breaking the law is ok... geez.

First off, those terms and conditions have never been tested in court. Second, the law-DMCA- is unconstitutional, and hence null and void. Finally, just because something is against the law does not mean its wrong to do. In fact, if it is right to do, violating that law is ok.

First off, those terms and conditions have never been tested in court. Second, the law-DMCA- is unconstitutional, and hence null and void. Finally, just because something is against the law does not mean its wrong to do. In fact, if it is right to do, violating that law is ok.

Its not the DCMA that's of note here. Its the license agreement you agreed to when you use iTunes. And that says you agree not to break the DRM.

Second, where's the unconstitutionality of the DCMA? Seriously, what part of the constitution does it break. Make sure you break it down by amendment, article, or whatever.

It does matter what the terms and conditions are. You agree to various terms and conditions when you install pretty much any commercial software. Furthermore, the use of the iTunes Music Store has its own terms and conditions. These have been created to protect those that hold the various rights to the content of the store and you as a consumer. Without those terms and conditions it would be likely that licensing costs would be greater and hence the costs to end users (ourselves) would be higher. The choice of music might be less too. With respect to owning music, you only own the product you've purchased, i.e. a CD or an iTunes AAC file. You don't actually own the music. When you purchase those products you agree to use them subject to their associated terms and conditions. If you don't like these, don't buy them. That's the best form of protest.