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Creative vs. Accounting

It's the same old story. Eisner is a numbers guy. Pixar's goal is the best quality creative product.

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Crystal ball....

What do we see for the future...

Eisner will be out by year end or at least when Pixar signs with another studio. Jobs will be courted to take over. He will accept with the condition that Disney will only use Pixar for future projects....Pixar is absolved out by Disney. Jobs become new CEO for both...Disney buys out Apple....Jobs maintains control over all three companies....Jobs becomes richer than Gates...

Revenge is ours!!!!!

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How is...

...revenge OURS if Steve is the richest man?

No, revenge will be when Artists, not media conglomorates (Disney) and Content Distirbuters (Microsoft) control the content. Be they a film company like Pixar or the guy who strums out some strings on his guitar or the actor on the TV. We can think more different then just "More money." That's what seperates Mac Users from others. We understand quality at the heart.

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Yep

Something happened somewhere along the line to Disney. Back when Aladdin and Beauty and the Beast were released, Disney was cooking. But since then, their movies have just gotten worse and worse. Maybe it's because I've older now, and so the corney stuff is more obvious to me. Yet I still find Aladdin funny and entertaining. I really think it's Disney having lost their touch. They focus way to much on pre-teen/teen stuff, content which is annoying to most adults. It IS possible to make movies which appeal to a bigger audiance, you know. Pixar has repeatedly proven that.

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Jobs for President

Steve Jobs for President 2004!!!! or 2008

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disney made their bed...

...now they have to lie in it.

They had a good thing going from Mermaid, Beauty, Lion King, even Mulan and Emperor and Lilo... the Orlando animation studio (they were doing mulan when I was touring there) was a great step in the right direction.

Then something snapped.

If it had been up to Disney, Toy Story 2 would have been a straight to video release, but when Pixar saw the potential for a great story, they put it back on the big screen. But it was the strength of the story, not the pull of the gross that made the decision.

If it were up to Disney, there'd be a Bugs' Life 2, Monsters 2, Nemo 2, all based on the idea that a sequel does 80% of the gross of the original, even if the sequal sucks.

Of course if it were up to them, there'd be Titanic 2, Armageddon 2...

They need to realize that the only disney film in the top 10 worldwide gross is an original pixar - Nemo.

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Jews...

Eisner is a JEW and is all about crushing the American beliefs. Look at the fact that when he came in, Disney started a p*** filming and dist. company Beuna Vista (spelling incorrect I think) and that Little Mermaid had a recall becuase of the C*ck on the front of the video cover, another Disney movie was recalled for showing Breast in a few frames. (Look this up on the internet!) The fact is Disney was standing for family value and Eisner want to distroy this for the hardline Jews to take over and become a super power through control of media and the people.

Research this and you will see what I am saying! I am not joking and if you are Jewish, this is not against the religion just the extremest within it... same as the extremest in Islasm, and many others.

It is REAL look into the facts and then judge it.

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Eisner is a Jew w/ a caus

Eisner is a JEW and is all about crushing the American beliefs. Look at the fact that when he came in, Disney started a p*** filming and dist. company Beuna Vista (spelling incorrect I think) and that Little Mermaid had a recall becuase of the C*ck on the front of the video cover, another Disney movie was recalled for showing Breast in a few frames. (Look this up on the internet!) The fact is Disney was standing for family value and Eisner want to distroy this for the hardline Jews to take over and become a super power through control of media and the people.

Research this and you will see what I am saying! I am not joking and if you are Jewish, this is not against the religion just the extremest within it... same as the extremest in Islasm, and many others.

It is REAL look into the facts and then judge it.

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Religion

I know I should probably just ignore the last poster about Eisner's religion... but I just can't. Eisner might be many bad things -- a brainless, soulless, accountant heading one of the most important media companies in the world -- but his ethnic background a)isn't relevant and b) isn't a bad thing.

Maybe the poster meant to be funny. Maybe. But he ain't.

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Registration

Why oh why doesn't MacNN require registration to post?!?

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Steve would never...

...manoeuver to kick out another CEO and take his place. Oh wait. Hm. Guess he's done it before. Hey, he's even good at it! Oh well.

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re: Eisner's religion

Gee, I think evidence makes a much stronger case that the imbecile who brought that up is a disgusting racist worthless n***.

That's the only rational explanation for such a mindless post so completely devoid of logic and reason. Didn't we fight a war to stamp out such idiocy some sixty years ago?

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re: Eisner's religion

Gee, I think evidence makes a much stronger case that the imbecile who brought that up is a disgusting racist worthless n***.

That's the only rational explanation for such a mindless post so completely devoid of logic and reason. Didn't we fight a war to stamp out such idiocy some sixty years ago?

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Re: the idiot racist

Either a troll trying to get us going or just a true idiot. Either way, a sorry, sorry person who comes from a lower level of consciousness.

-Christopher Johnson in Los Angeles

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Re: anti what?

Wow, you need your head examined, pornography is anti-American, I thought it was protected under freedom of speech? America turns out more p*** than any other country in the world.

I'll admit to being an anti-Zionist, but I'm not anti-Judaic (anti-Semitic doesn't work for me, Semitic peoples are wider than just jewish), but I really find the stereo-typing I hear and read from some in the US quite offensive.

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In my Jewish family...

...we can't even agree on what to have for dinner, let alone how to take over the world.

The neo-n**** from the Yahoo boards are coming over here now. God (or whoever) help us.

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An informative book...

Anyone who wants to read a pretty complete and compelling review of all of the c*** that so called Christians have done to the Jews since the time of Jesus should read Constantine's Sword. It pretty much covers the reasons for the mindless/senseless Jew hatred that permeates our world, like the moron above so aptly demonstrated. It's written by a Catholic priest.

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stereotype

And the stereotype for Jews comes from someplace and it�s not the Catholic Priest. They are in general good at business at the cost of everything else. That�s why I use one as my accountant.

But im sure glad I dont have one as my boss :)

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Your an idiot

and should keep your stereotyping thoughts to yourself. Back to the subject. Eisner screwed up big and should have changed his attitude about Pixar long ago. You don't play hardball with a company that has accumulated such success and leverage as Pixar. He will pay the price and will probably not run Disney in the near future. It's unfortunate for Pixar too as they are stuck in a negative partnership for two more films. Who knows how Disney will cooperate and promote for the remainder of their contract.

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re: stereotype

You are just as ignorant as the moron who made the first post! I never said that the stereotype for Jews came from a Catholic priest. I said that a BOOK written by a Catholic priest detailed all the c*** that was done to the Jews over the ages and EXPLAINS where the stereotype came from including things like forbidding Jews to own land, resulting in their migratory nature and, of necessity, their involvement in trading, etc. By saying that Jews are "in general good at business at the cost of everything else" and "I'm sure glad I don't have one as a boss" you demonstrate your moronic nature fully.

I'm sure glad I don't have you for an aquaintance, even though I'm not Jewish. Bigot. Idiot.

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RIPE.

jobs is just RIPE to rip eisner 10-15 new arseholes.

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Change the subject?

Wow, this thread really turned interesting. David Brinkley got into a similar situation years ago, when his panel discussion got heated. I loved how he handled it, and I'll paraphrase it here:

I believe we have beaten this subject to death, so lets switch to a topic that's really important: Baseball.

"Jews..," how do you think the Cubs are going to do this year?

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The Sweatbox

If you want to see how the Disney animation dept. works, seek out the DVD of THE SWEATBOX. It's a documentary about the making of what eventually become The Emperor's New Groove.

Fascinating stuff, and gives you some CLEAR insight into why Jobs dislikes Eisner so much. If he *did* take over Disney, his first act would be to fire the two guys who head up animation, I assure you.

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Anti-semites

It's almost CUTE that such pathetic creatures as Anti-Semintes still exist. I confess to being a little surprised that such cretins can successfully operate an e-machine or x-box that they use to connect, and of course they demonstrate their superior intellect by coming onto a Mac board to spew OT swill that hasn't got s*** to do with shinola.

Next they'll be telling me that William Shatner and Leonard Nimoy (both Jewish) are behind the cabal that runs this planet. Uh-huh.

Idiots like them are the reason I'm mad at Reagan -- he cut funding to the insane asylums, and now I have to deal with these people instead of just locking them up and throwing away the key.

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RE:"Jews"

His post is proof that Apple is so user-friendly that even a brain damaged chimp can use one to post here.

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Re: anti-semites

Next they'll be telling me that William Shatner and Leonard Nimoy (both Jewish) are behind the cabal that runs this planet.

Hey, idiot, what are you doing posting our secrets to these non-Jews! You could destroy the whole plan!!!

-Will

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Shhh

It's Shatner, not Nimoy, and he sends me secret messages through my teeth.
He said I should apologize to the chimpanzee species, as a whole, for comparing one of their's to the "Jew-p***-Disney" poster.

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Umm I Just Wanted to Say

I'm no n*** but there is quite a lot of Jewish influence in Hollywood.

"Hollywood is run by Jews; it is owned by Jews--and they should have a greater sensitivity about the issue of people who are suffering. Because...we have seen...the greaseball, we've seen the c****, we've seen the slit-eyed dangerous j**, we have seen the wily Filipino, we've seen everything but we never saw the k***. Because they knew perfectly well, that that is where you draw the [line]." - Marlon Brando on Larry King

"Everyone's afraid to touch anything that religious because most of the people out here are Jewish, and it's a frightening thing for them to promote Christianity." - Dolly Parton on Hollywood

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Ignore the racial rants

and get back on topic
Eisner is f****** up big time and everyone knows it. Theres no way Disney can produce anything remotely as well crafted as Pixar films, u know theyd s**** it up somehow. I remember making the mistake of going to see "Hercules" and wished i stabbed my eyes with a pencil. One more movie with the frickin songs again and someone needs to declare jihad on Disney. Theyre practically begging people to go to California Adventure...
If anything comes out such as Toy Story 3 without Pixar (u know theyre doing it) they really need to be boycotted

This is off topic but very telling of Eisner, remember who owned the Anaheim Angels when they won the World Series? yup, Disney. Eisner knew he was selling the team but had to show up for the games and play happy Joe Owner with his fake smile and fake enthusiasm. i cant believe someone would sell a World Series Champion righy away, youd figure theyd want to build on the momentum. But not Eisner, all Disney ever contributed was their uniform designs btw i hate Eisner

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how in the world

is Steve Jobs gonna be able to run Apple, Pixar AND Disney? i really dont think thats humanly possible do u? I'd rather he keep the wheels turning at Apple and Pixar, but thats my own selfish wish. i could care less about Disneys amusement parks, movies and merchandise empire

If he takes on Disney hed be only able to focus on Disney IMHO and nothing else, which would be more of a loss to me at least

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Not the Jews but the IRA

It's the Irish that are looking to take over.. have you been to New York lately? How about Chicago? Guinness pubs everywhere!! A beer that bubble down!? What chemicals are they putting into that stuff! The Irish are coming, take cover!!!

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not Reagan's fault

"Idiots like them are the reason I'm mad at Reagan -- he cut funding to the insane asylums, and now I have to deal with these people instead of just locking them up and throwing away the key."

The funding for asylums was cut because the number of people in asylums had already been signifigantly reduced prior to the Reagan presidency.

Reagan was not responsible for the change in policy regarding having people committed to the asylums. You can blame the ACLU for that. During the 70s, the ACLU pushed several cases through our national court system in order to make it virtually impossible to have insane people committed to an asylum without the consent of the insane person!

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And Osama is Pissed

And Osama is pissed because he's still using a Tandy and is blaming George Bush for the decline in his 401.k Ahhh the humanity!

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YOU ARE SO STUPID

NO ONE CARES ABOUT YOUR f****** GIBBERISH
stick to the topic and rant about your s*** somewhere else!

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One final thought...

Who the h*** has the time to collect comments about Jews in Hollywood unless its some kind of personal issue? You may not be a n***, but you obviously have problems with non-Christians.

Eisner has screwed up Disney. It has nothing to do with him being Jewish. Next topic.

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JEW

9/11 happened cause we are in Israel. All things bad come out of us being there.

oweell this country is owned by proxy by the people who put us in that mess.

ohh and the movie busness needs to stop with the feel bad for the jews movies.. WE GET THE PICTURE!!

Wow and to think there was a Jew running for the white house.

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Get off this board.

Sick, racist jerks. Go salute a picture of Hitler and shut up. Your c*** has no place here.

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HEY

Im not racist .. I like all kind of people .. im black for god sakes and have jewish friends as well as a few white friends. Im just calling it how I see it !

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Pixar sells fries

Pixar is to Disney what a potato supplier is to McDonalds.

Last I checked, Pirates of the Caribbean did well. Other top Disney-owned studio films from 2003 that topped $100 million were Bringing Down the House, Spy Kids 3D, Freaky Friday, Scary Movie 3. And all were in the Top 25.

For 2004 - Touchstone's Ladykillers (w/Tom Hanks), Raising Helen (w/Kate Hudson), Miramax's Cold Mountain (Kidman, Zellweger, Jude Law), Jersey Girl (Affleck - Kevin Smith), and Disney's Miracle (Kurt Russell) all look to post some nice profits in early 2004.

What's Pixar releasing over the next few months?

Eisner was smart enough to drive that company to invest in television networks and other movie studios, as well as drive Disney's theme park ownership from just 2 parks (Disneyland & DisneyWorld) when he took over to a over to today's Epcot, Disney-MGM Studios, Disney's Animal Kingdom, 16 resort hotels, a retail, dining and entertainment complex, a sports complex, conference centers, campgrounds, golf courses, water parks, Disney Cruise Line, Disney's California Adventure, three resort hotels (CA), Downtown Disney, ESPN Zone restaurants, Tokyo Disneyland Resort (two theme parks and two Disney-branded hotels, near Tokyo, Japan).

ABC, ESPN, Disney Channel, A&E, Lifetime, E! Entertainment television, ABC Family, ABC radio networks, Walt Disney Pictures, Buena Vista, MGM, Touchstone Pictures, Miramax, and Dimension studios banners.

He became CEO and chairman in 1984. Let's briefly compare Eisner's 20 years at Disney with, say, Apple's 20-year history:
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DISNEY
1984 stock price: $ 0.15 (adjusted)
2004 stock price: $ 23.00

1984 market cap: $ 2 billion.
2004 market cap: $48 billion
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APPLE
1984 stock price: $ 5.50 (adjusted)
2004 stock price: $ 22.00

1984 market cap: $ 1 billion.
2004 market cap: $ 8.25 billion
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So don't s*** on Eisner. He's taken a kiddie company and propelled it through the stratosphere.

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re- Pixar sells fries

Umm thats like giving credit to Bush for the Rovers Suscess on mars.

man thats soo cool that we have remote control cars on mars. so just in case we nuke our selfs to death there is proof we had existed on mars.

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Religion

Ignore him. He's the same moron that posted in that other threat his "argument" as to why the Mars landings are a hoax.

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Um, ok.

"So don't s*** on Eisner. He's taken a kiddie company and propelled it through the stratosphere."

Money isn't everything. That's what Jobs is saying. There's more important things in life then just making money.

Oh wait, macs are still overpriced and the iPod mini is $250. I take it all back.

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One more thing.

"Pixar is to Disney what a potato supplier is to McDonalds."

And where would McDonalds be without their fries? Pixar provides all the creative input to Disney, just like Apple provides all the creative input to the PC industry. Remove the brain and the body dies.

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MARS

I have seen better footage of mars on startrek .. COMON NASA .. if your going to fake it ... lets see some blurry image of green men or somthing.

Its funny that we can put a robot on mars but cant find osama

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Jewish bankers/merchants

Why are jewish people stereotyped as being in business? because that was all they were ALLOWED to do in the church controlled europe. Banking was unregulated and interest was considered immoral. Why do they "Jew down"? Because they were only able to have a few jobs and the only way they could buy all they needed for their families was to drive a hard bargain. If you were restricted to a section of a city and told you could not hold skilled jobs, wouldn't you scrimp and save for when you were going to be squeezed again?
Look at history, folks. Whether or not you know it, it is still effecting those around you and, thus you.

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f*** All Religions

Can't people understand that blind faith in ANYTHING is bad? The guys who flew the planes into the world trade center believed in God just as much the Jews...Though it can be argued that faith can bring good, it can also bring harm and violence. Interesting that the same mental process could have brought believers to such radically different conclusions (violence vs. benevolence).

Step back. Use Occam's Razor for more than just your day to day life...apply it to your unfounded, harmful belief in god.

I know most people could not live day to day without thinking that there is some one up there helping them out and watching over them. Let it go, live your life morally, and embrace humanism.

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Re: Jews...

This is totally right. Just google for 'who rules america' and see what you come up with. It explains the whole thing. Not to bash Jews or their religion, but if every single media outlet in America were controlled Roman Catholics, or Buddhists I would be concerned. Especially when you consider they only account for 2% or America.

Either way, Eisner needs to go. But from what I understand most of Disney is kosher the way it is. So Eisner leaving would have little effect of the hebrew tilt. Walt Disney is probably turning in his grave.

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