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KB: iDVD with non-SuperDrives; GarageBand performance

updated 01:50 am EST, Thu January 22, 2004

KB: iDVD 4, GarageBand

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01/22, 04:41am | report spam | close Reply |
Easy... Don't use Win ME

Windows ME is probably the most odd flavour of the Win9x clan. I used to have the most erratic networking issues with that version. If you must run Windows, stick to XP. If your hardware is old, stick to Win98. Ready to upgrade, get a Mac.

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"Restoral"?!

It's "restoration". Nice editorializimation.

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garageband 1.0

remember keynote in its first incarnation? see it now?

i'm guessing once they see the hue and cry from the 95% of eligiible mac users who don't have 1G g4s, we'll see some tweaking. Anyone know if Garageband is a bought and retooled app or did apple create this from scratch?

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01/22, 08:50am | report spam | close Reply |
iDVD on External Drive!

Apple needs to post how to run iDVD on an external DVD burner. Too many people have bought G4 iMacs without SuperDrives to continue to deny them the ability to make DVDs. The answer shouldn't be "buy a new Mac".

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01/22, 08:59am | report spam | close Reply |
iDVD

What incentive would Apple have to make iDVD work with external drives? 'buy a new mac' is the best answer they should give.

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HAHAHA

"It's "restoration". Nice editorializimation."
I was just about to comment on the same thing. :)

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01/22, 09:58am | report spam | close Reply |
"buy a new Mac"

No, "buy a new Mac" is the WORST answer, and a sure way to piss people off and be accused of bait-and-switch. It smacks too much like a greasy used car dealer luring you into the showroom to look at one thing, then jacking up the price once you're in the store.

Let's see....to run this $49 piece of software I have to purchase a $1300 computer?

Oh yeah, that'll please a lot of customers...

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Re: iDVD on external

iDVD is part of a $50 package. If divided equally - it costs $10. The profits from SuperDrives are subsidizing its development. If Apple were to support external drives they would have to charge $50 or more for *just* iDVD, to pay for it's development.

Just look at the price of Windows DVD authoring packages. They cost a lot more than $10.

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Re: but a new mac

No, "buy a new Mac" is the WORST answer, and a sure way to piss people off and be accused of bait-and-switch. It smacks too much like a greasy used car dealer luring you into the showroom to look at one thing, then jacking up the price once you're in the store.

Bait and switch? How could they be baiting and switching here? It says plainly (and everyone knows, because its what everyone whines about) that an internal Apple supplied superdrive is required. They don't support third-party drives at all (internal ones may work, but that's up to you to get it to work). You want third-party support, get it from (a) DVD Studio Pro, or (b) a third party company, like Toast! You're just being cheap because you want to use the cool inexpensive software without paying for the expensive hardware for which iDVD is used to try to sell.

BTW, when I got a CD-RW drive for my PC at work, the copy of Nero it came with only works with that drive, no other drive maker. How come no one whines about that kind of thing? Oh, that's right, your Mac users, you expect Apple to give you everything you want for free.

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GarageBand - hard disk

I got the Garageband 'hard disk too slow' message last night. :( I'll try some of their recommendations.

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restoral/restoration

Some dictionaries define "restoral" as an alternative to "restoration."

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iDVD won't work on g3

I bought iLife for iPhoto and iMovie. I installed iDVD to just because I was curious about all this talk about it working on a non-superdrive Mac. Sure enough, it doesn't work on my g3 Pismo. Oh well.

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How to install GB w/o DVD

Step 1) Find a machine with a DVD drive
Step 2) Use Disk Utility to make an image of the DVD (about 3.2 G)
Step 3) Transfer that image to the machine you want to install on
(helps if you have a fast network, external drive, or in my case, an ipod)
Step 4) Mount the image and install...

worked for me.

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new

just buy a new computer. they are a hardware company, right? Or is this the music publishing company?

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the problem with iDVD...

...isn't the "bait and switch" that the other person was talkign about, but that there seems to be no "middle ground" between the "1/5 piece of the $50 iLife '04 bundle" and the "$999 DVD Studio Pro". hmmm... $50, or $1000? could Apple not make some sort of DVD express, similar to how they have taken Final Cut and LOgic and strip some-but-not-all pro features away, and sell a DVD Express for, like $149? certainly would help ease the blow to the wallet on all cases.

i bought a dual G4, but i didn't want to include the superdrive because a.) i didn't need it AT THE TIME (wow, what a concept, buy what you need when you need it) and b.) by the time i did need to use it, the superdrive speeds would likely double. but my dual G4 makes audio and video creation damn fine, thank you very much, and now i'd like to start getting that work onto DVD,

apple's step of saving to an archive to transfer over a network to a superdrive-enabled mac is a step in the right direction, but it's only a step.

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Cheap?! I scoff at you.

this is just a rebuttle towards the outlandish remarks that person was making towards the other for questioning apple's ethics dealing with their software and hardware..

first of all, nero is sold commericially and works with many if not all internal or external recording drives.. as ive been a pc user from the start, it was on e of the first recording programs i ever used and it worked with all the computers ive ever owned..

and i dont think this person- or others want apple to give them anything for free. as i just bought the new g4 ibook, i was a bit dismayed that i couldnt actively use the idvd software to perhaps export the image to toast. and then burn on my pc..

i do remember a few years ago that there was to be an external superdrive.. but i guess nothing came of that.. if anything that would be the best bet for apple. so everyone can reap the benefits of their software and hardware..

simply- idvd has a simple, fun interface, for an amazing price.. and to pay $999 for software that im sure i wont be able to use without reading manuals upon manuals- is bit of a jump..

so call us -cheap- but be aware that isnt by far a valid argument.. unless you were perhaps.. in grade school.

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Who cares

Win ME sucks a** anyway. ME is even worse then 98 was.

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Re: buy another Mac

Regarding the issue of whether or not owners of Macs without Superdrives should be able to burn DVDs using iDVD:
When I bought my G4 dual 500 (August 2000) Superdrives didn't exist.
I love my G4 but after sinking close to $7,000 Cdn. into the beast (including a second hard drive, a third-party EXTERNAL DVD burner, and a graphics card upgrade) I simply can't afford to trade in the machine after only three years (I was offered $1,000 Cdn. for a trade-in).
It isn't that iDVD only supports specific drives that bothers me. It's that Apple never provided me with a way to upgrade my relatively new G4 to take advantage of iDVD. Not only did they miss out on a chance to sell me a DVD burner, they made me feel like I was no longer a valuable customer within two years of buying a top-of-the-line fully optioned product. I and others like me shouldn't be made to feel like yesterday's news so soon after investing in Apple so significantly.
Come on Apple, do right by loyal customers in my predicament. Not only am I not prepared to ditch my computer after only three years, even if I could afford it, I won't do it now on principle.

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Here we go again.

"What incentive would Apple have to make iDVD work with external drives? 'buy a new mac' is the best answer they should give."

It's called "good will". It's the kind of thing that if you don't do it, you're going to make a lot of people angry. Angry people don't buy again. I'm a perfect example: I purposely haven't bought a few things from apple I would already bought had they not pulled this kind of BS. Why should I reward this kind of behavior? Apple needs to start LISTENING to their customers if they want my business.

"The profits from SuperDrives are subsidizing its development. If Apple were to support external drives they would have to charge $50 or more for *just* iDVD, to pay for it's development."

Oh come the h*** on. Apple charged what they wanted to charge. Just because apple doesn't sell a few more macs doesn't mean the cost of iDVD suddenly goes up.

The iLife apps are an incentive to buy a mac, not to buy a mac with a superdrive. Suppose I can't afford a mac with a superdrive? Here I want to buy a mac, but I want to maybe get a DVD drive later. Apple says I can't do that. Well gee- that seems like a LACK of incentive to me. I means that apple doesn't understand the way people want to buy computers. People don't buy a new machine every year- they upgrade them. Lack of upgradablity gives me one more reason to choose a -PC-, not a mac. So how is apple helping themselves by doing this?

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Re: Cheap

this is just a rebuttle towards the outlandish remarks that person was making towards the other for questioning apple's ethics dealing with their software and hardware..

first of all, nero is sold commericially and works with many if not all internal or external recording drives.. as ive been a pc user from the start, it was on e of the first recording programs i ever used and it worked with all the computers ive ever owned..

It is sold commercially, just like Toast. But it also is included 'free' with some drives. But the free version is 'crippled' to work only with the drive it came with (uh, just like toast). So the copy that came with my drive won't work with any other drive.

The problem with iDVD supporting third-party drives is that Apple would (a) have to raise the price considerably to add the support, to get people to pay a fair price for it, and to pay for the expected large increase in support calls they can expect because of all the different drives/firmware out there. Then you'd all be whining that they dare charge you $200 for iDVD when others get it for free.

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