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Hewlett-Packard: No WMA for IPod

updated 09:10 am EST, Tue January 13, 2004

HP denies WMA for iPod

HP on the iPod, according to Muffi Ghadiali, product marketing manager for HP's digital entertainment products group: "Contrary to reports, Hewlett-Packard will not be supporting Microsoft's Windows Media Audio format in its forthcoming HP-branded iPod," according to Wired News. "According to Paul Thurrot's WinInfo newsletter, HP is working with Apple to add support for WMA to the iPod. Thurrot's report was widely circulated online on Monday. "

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thank god

Putting WMA into iTunes and iPod would be pathetic. It is far inferior to AAC.

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Thurrot is an IDIOT

This proves he is a liar - he just wanted to type "superior Windows Media format" in his newsletter.

What a tool.

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FUD

Paul Thurrot is just making stuff up to boost his stats. He's a liar.

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Apple would object

WMA support would make sense to Microsoft and HP - Microsoft would get license fees and HP might sell some more HP-pods (What use is a portable music player if you can't use it with BuyMusic.com, right?). Apple would stand to lose big bucks on iTMS purchases, which was one of the big linchpins in the Apple-HP deal. So I'm left to conclude that a lack of WMA support follows from Apple's objection, as opposed to HP not being willing or able to provide such support.

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Whew

While WMA support on iPod would appeal to some users, in the end, it's better this is not true because giving WMA support to the iPod is like giving it an STD.

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I'm impressed

I thought Apple was faltering and playing along with MS regarding music formats.

I guess its all out war.

Cheers,

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MS

I bet MS bought off HP or threatened to raise their cost of windows licensing since this threatens the planned MS music store.

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Thurrot is obviously. . .

full of @#$%

nuff said.

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And back at the ranch...

Apple Stock Quote: 24.58 (0.85 )

As Merrill Lynch reiterates their "buy" position on AAPL... go team!

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RE: Thurrot is obviously

I concur, he's a moron.

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Thurrott

He claimed that the Boston Globe's Hiawatha Bray was "one of those tech reporters that's overly-friendly with Apple". Ha ha!

Apparently Bray's habit of only having one or two slams of Apple in every article is "overly-friendly" by Thurrott's standards.

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duhr.

the guy's an idiot, that's for sure but...

this comment...

"I bet MS bought off HP or threatened to raise their cost of windows licensing since this threatens the planned MS music store. "

Is just stupid. MS has never planned their own store.

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Yer stupid

LOL... yes, Microsoft has already announced that they're planning on integrating a store into Windows Media Player.

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Britteny Spears & Thurrot

Seems alot of people will do anything for publicity, at least Brittany Spears had the balls to change her wrong doing.

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HP doesn't want it

If HP commented, then HP doesn't want WMA either, I imagine. I suspect that choosing Apple was an aggressive move by HP, against Microsoft. The big PC makers (especially one like HP with their own server architecture, processor line, etc.) don't really like that MS has total control over every new "Standard". It locks them in under MS control, and makes it hard for them to differentiate themselves. I suspect HP wanted to pull the rug our from under WMA.

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another music format

on the iPod is so scary to me, it's like a rumor for FUD (to a mac user anyway).

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01/13, 11:33am | report spam | close Reply |
WMA vs AAC

It looks like AAC is gaining momentum - not only HP, but Real as well (albeit with their own DRM instead of Freeplay).

Wouldn't it be nice to see MS eventually have to withdraw WMA in the face of real open standards?

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Paving the way ...

Once PC manufacturers start partnering with Apple after their users discover the pound-for-pound superior products we've always known and enjoyed long before them and that continue to surpass the PC knockoff versions that appear months/years later, they will be nearly free of MS's deathgrip. And it will be precisely at that time that Steve will casually mention this little port of OS X to Intel processors that Apple's been continually refining in-house since 1998 ...

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01/13, 11:47am | report spam | close Reply |
alal celebrity jeopardy

Suck it Thurrot!!!

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I think...

HP and some other PC makers now are thinking about what LONGHORN means in the LONGRUN, and are scared they are going to lose big time. Especially now with this move with iPod and HP.

What did Steve Jobs reveal to HP? Did they see some light? OMG this is sending chills down my spine. M$ is in trouble and they know it. These are very exciting time we are living in! Drink them up.

Thurrott? Who? What we'll be saying by summer.

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HP Says...

"Sorry Microsoft, we're not your b*tch anymore"

Microsoft says, "Waaaaaaaaaaaaaah!"

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hehehe

Suck it Thurrot!!!! ^o^

Why doesn't Apple license its DRM to other music stores furthering the adoption of AAC and making a nice chunk of change out of it. In essence do what MS would have done.

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Sing it in the streets

Thurrot is a LIAR.

Thurrot is a TOOL.

Thurrot is an IDIOT.

I suggest we make these sentiments known to the people who employ this propagandist.

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Thurott the Sell-Out

This Paul "Deep Throat" Thurott character thinks he has to virtually go down on MS by continually parrotting the party line.

He delegitimizes himself with every stroke...

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01/13, 12:29pm | report spam | close Reply |
What a f*cking liar.

Lair liar pants on fire!

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Burn him!

Damn this scumbag to h***. May a thousand fleas infest his crotch!

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Paul Thurrott

is always spreading FUD and other nonsense about. Just ignore the fool!

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VORBIS is better than MP3

Or at least someone thinks so.

http://seminars.longnow.org/

(I was watching this interesting fellow on Television.)

longnow.org

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Re: MS

I bet MS bought off HP or threatened to raise their cost of windows licensing since this threatens the planned MS music store.

OK, this is so stupid in so many ways. First, MS would buy HP off to USE WMA, they wouldn't buy them off to NOT use it. MS would make money on every use of WMA out there, so the more the merrier.

Second, MS would want it on the iPod because the iPod is the default music player out there. Getting WMA on the iPod would allow users to download music in WMA format, getting MS more money.

Finally, it would also allow them to attract iPod users to MS's store because, well, sure, there's now 1600 stores out there, but MS is sure to have one of the best 1500 or so.

So it only hurts them to not have it on the iPod. The only way its considered 'good' is that they can continue their 'AAC is a closed format, join the WMA crowd and buy your music from whomever you like and play it on whatever you want' FUD.

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Re: Ogg

Ogg has licensing issues (i.e. there's some doubt about whether some of the codec is taken from others). Nothing's being done about it now because there's no big player around worth suing over. But no big player is going to touch it without the legal issues to be resolved.

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AAC is not CLOSED format

It seems that a lot of misinformation is occurring on these boards regarding AAC as being an Apple "proprietary" format or "closed" format.
Find the facts and then speak.
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About AAC
The AAC or Advanced Audio Coding standard is developed by Dolby Laboratories (http://www.vialicensing.com) and can be licensed by any entity wishing to incorporate the file format into their product(s) as Apple Computer has done with their QuickTime, iTunes, and iPod products and services.

I have provided several links below regarding the AAC standard:
http://www.vialicensing.com/
http://www.vialicensing.com/products/mpeg4aac/standard.html
http://www.vialicensing.com/products/mpeg4aac/license.terms.html
http://www.vialicensing.com/products/mpeg4aac/licenseFAQ.html

Although some board comments may have simply been a slight oversight, it does position the Apple iTunes Music Store as being a closed system for delivering products, which it is not. Apple's decision in selecting a non-proprietary audio compression format that can be licensed from a company that has a wealth of knowledge and experience with the delivery of sound is simply one more indicator of Apple Computer's forward thinking approach to providing the best solutions possible for their products and audience in promoting and spearheading the digital lifestyle.

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Who knew?

time-line, as I see it,

First, Digital Music is bested by Apple and allies like HP step in time to the beat.

Second, Governements around the globe jump to Unix based OS's causing government related businesses to follow suit. As the Mac becomes the leading GUI unix interface, applications get easier to port from unix to Mac.

Third, Many businesses jump from the MS ship and programs like Star Office become much more powerful. The masses of home users begin to embrace unix based OS's.

Fourth, Microsoft makes a last ditch attempt to become unix friendly and fails utterly.

Fifth, the world becomes a friendlier place to live and people swear a lot less at their computers.

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Can U MP3 using WMP?

Can anyone create an MP3 file using MS Window's Media Player (WMP) without paying an extra charge to enable WMP to do so?

To me, this sounds MORE like a closed, proprietary format if their ever was one. And for the average user, who really has no idea of file formats, standards or quality, they simply use whatever format their player will use and for those using MS products, they fall into MS plan of providing users with their own sub par standards.
MS has a habit of trying to get into anything that some other company is making money or innovation in. They did it with Windows (DOS), they did it with the advent of the web (IE), they tried it with MP3 (WMA), they tried it with gaming consoles (Xbox), they tried it with home Internet console terminals (WebTV), they tried it with the digital lifestyle hub (Windows Media Center) and once more they are trying it with online music sales. They're even trying it with Windows software in cars!

They lack focus and a strategic plan. All they ever do is miss product launches and deadlines, buy companies and build on top of their accomplishments until it the software is so bloated and tied into the Windows platform that they require a patch every other month. Is it any winder that for the exception of their Windows and Office software packages, Microsoft has never made any money on any of their other hardware or software endeavors.
If anything, MS main goal is to saturate all markets with some form of Windows so that consumers will buy into their products regardless of the quality and functionality.

I can't wait for some new flash reporting that due to an unexpected "bug", Ford Motor Company is recalling all next generation vehicles with Windows XP Cruising Edition, due to a problem in which XP would lock up causing all vehicles controls to not respond. This "bug" has caused several deaths and countless accidents around the country�

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MS Auto Software

Quit honking your f***ing horn! I'm not stalled - I'm rebooting, damn it! Can't you see all my windows turned blue?

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Misinformation

You are the one misinformed, my friend.

AAC is both proprietary and closed. It is owned by Dolby. It is exactly like how WMA is owned by Microsoft, or RA is owned by Real, or MP3 is owned by FH. Companies cannot distribute any one of those encoders or decoders for free. Apple happened to go with AAC and MP3. Microsoft went to WMA. MusicMatch went with both MP3 and WMA. The list goes on but the fact is that AAC is neither a standard or open.

The consumers decide what is the standard, not one company/group.

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Wheew

That was a CLOSE one ;)

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MS and WMP

In Windows XP, WMP can convert CDs to MP3 format right out of the box, but you'd be stupid to use it, as its 64kbps (that's right, 64, not even lame 96). It cannot do better then that. WMP can also convert files to WMA at better bit-rates, and can convert your collection of MP3s to the "industry standard and more compatible" WMA format with no problem. You cannot convert WMA back to MP3 using WMP.

If you buy some Plus Pack for windows, I think you can then burn higher rate MP3s using WMP. But I still don't think you can convert WMA to MP3. (Note that I'm not talking about DRM'd songs in WMA, just songs ripped from a CD you own to WMA, because you completely forgot to check your settings beforehand. ) At least iTunes can convert AAC to MP3 and back again (except for DRM'd AAC files, where you have to go the extra step of burning to a CD, then ripping out again).

Oh, and speaking of those WMA files, unless you were wise enough to hit the preferences and at least turn off the 'protect my content from unwanted copying' option (or whatever it is), you can't even move your burned WMA music to other computers, because they're tied to the computer regardless of how they were obtained.

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Is it me?

Or are any of you tired of waiting for the top banner of the page to load? Because if you don't and scroll down, you get SCROLLED RIGHT BACK UP THE f****** PAGE SO YOU CAN SEE IT FINISH LOADING?!!!!!!

Do it if you don't see it or think about it.
Load a page in here, and scroll right before the page finishes loading, and let go... bam! back to the top and see the M$ portable s***!

that sucks.

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Re: is it me?

First of all, install PithHelmet (assuming you're using Safari). That will probably solve your problem right off, since you won't see the ads any more.

If you'd like to speed up the annoying Wired site even more, you can add a transmogrification rule to the PithHelmet.plist file in ~/Library/Application Support/PithHelmet/ . Unfortunately there's no UI for that yet so you have to do it manually with a text editor for now.

Copy one of the other rules, and change the MatchPattern and ReplacementString lines like this (these are long lines):

MatchPattern
^http://www.wired.com/news/.*/0,1286,(.*),00.html.*$
ReplacementString
http://www.wired.com/news/print/0,1294,$1,00.htm
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Now whenever you go to a Wired article, you'll get the "printer friendly" version instead. Which I find a lot more human-friendly too. You can do the same thing for a lot of news sites, and when you combine it with the ad filtering, it's almost like 1996 again - ie. you can actually read what you were looking for on the web without needing some Pepto. ;)

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Re: is it me?

Oops, further to that last tip:

This is the change you should make:

MatchPattern
^http://www.wired.com/news/.*/0,.*,(.*),00.html.*$
ReplacementString
http://www.wired.com/news/print/0,1294,$1,00.htm
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Sorry about that - the first one I posted will only work for the article section I was testing on. Blame me rushing to post, and Wired's inexplicably strange URL scheme. ;)

Remember to click "reload" from the PithHelmet pane in Safari's prefs after editing the file (not "save", since that would overwrite your editor changes).

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Re: it's not me

Oops again. The angle brackets and contents are getting eaten as HTML tags, of course. There's no post preview so it's hard to catch. Let's try this:

MatchPattern
^http://www.wired.com/news/.*/0,.*,(.*),00.html.*$
ReplacementString
http://www.wired.com/news/print/0,1294,$1,00.html

If that doesn't work, we'll just have to face it that this isn't the venue for posting XML changes to plist files. ;)

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Does Thurrot t...

sounds like "surot" (soo-ROT). If it does, in the Philippine language it means blood sucking "tick".

Enough said.

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Nope.

I think Thurrott sounds more like the noise emitted by a stinking f***. All gas!

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Re MS and WMP

Why all that long rant? Why would you want to compress from one compressed format to another and vice versa? You think you will get better results dubbing one cassette to another and to another?

There are also factual error as well. In WMP9, you cannot encode to MP3. The reason is largely strategic because obviously they want to support their format and financial because they do not want to pay Fraunhofer to license MP3 encoder.

Personally, even though I use AAC 100% of the time, I think WMA got a bad rep because it is owned by Microsoft.

Their VBR quality is very good. It offers 5.1 surround and mathematically lossless compression as options. WMA9 Pro is even better as it offers 6 discrete channels at 700+ kbps.

Had WMA being release by another group - MPEG, Panasonic, Dolby - your reactions would be different.

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Re: MS and WMP

Had WMA being release by another group - MPEG, Panasonic, Dolby - your reactions would be different.

Yes, but there's a difference. The groups/companies you mention don't have an inherent conflict of interest. MS has an OS and media player (integrated into the OS), and as such, has a great interest to push WMA. Correspondingly, since they have a monetary benefit from licensing of their codec, then it behooves them to make sure it works best on their platform, and do what can be done to make sure other formats are not as supported.

Finally, the last problem is the default DRM built into the codec, which only leads to more hatred of the whole thing (the other groups would not have been so forceful on the DRM side, as they have no interest or care about copying and other 'illegal' activities, whereas MS has chosen their side, and its the RIAA.

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Re: Who Knew?

6th: HP branded iMacs.

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Wow

"Putting WMA into iTunes and iPod would be pathetic. It is far inferior to AAC."

Well, can't argue with that well thought out line of reasoning. Don't embarass rest of us intelligent Mac users. Shut the h*** up if you don't have anything intelligent to add.

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closed, open, or good?

Why does everyone get caught up in whether something is closed or open, when the real debate should be about quality and useability. Let's just accept that AAC is a superior standard. So WMA can do 5.1 and 'mathematically lossless' compression, but we're talking about 1) specifically lossy formats, and 2) stereo. 5.1, 6.1, and 7.1 (discrete/matrixed) sound formats are and will continue to be dictated by consumers of home theatre audio components and will be developed further by the existing players (Digital Theatre Systems/Sound and Dolby Labs) a kiss of gold label will come from THX. Those are lossy formats (DTS being double bitrate). There's still a race in the SACD/DVD Audio market, but that's an even higher quantity of data than on a cd and the players there are hardware/home audio manufacturers. People making something you can't download don't really care that much about your computer. So that leaves the 2 existing major formats for DRM audio.
WMA and AAC (stereo & lossy). Same size file which one sounds better at the threshold? Try it yourself, but to me AAC files do and there's a lot of literature to back that up. If you're buying music then you're buying a player, and if you're buying a player do you really care if it supports a) a lesser quality format, or b) a DRM free format for which no songs can be purchased? Probably not, since you can always buy the cd and rip to the best format. This arguments a no brainer and Apple is being smart. I don't like the limits of not being able to buy WMA songs from certain vendors, but when I think about it I'd rather have the cd and a much higher quality song than digital trash.

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