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Forbes: Macs in science; CNET looks at \"true cost\"

updated 01:20 pm EST, Mon January 12, 2004

Forbes: Macs in science

Forbes reports that the Mac, which "has long sat on the desktops of many molecular biologists, is now , the study of how many genes work together within organisms... Botstein outfitted the center almost soup to nuts with Apple computers and servers, which are used for everything from desktop applications to comparing lengths of genetic code....he says he has also cut down on the cost of maintaining his number-crunching machines."

Meanwhile, CNET News.com talks about the "marketing message" and "true cost" behind Apple's 1,000 node G5 supercomputer: "itt cost $5.2 million to buy the Virginia Tech gear, but that figure doesn't include what the school says were "hundreds of volunteered hours of Virginia Tech faculty, staff and students to help set up the 19.25 tons of computers, routers and other equipment."




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  1. MacNN.com Reader

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    So what?

    No one ever factors in the Total Cost of Deployment in their harware purchase.. that's because it's a hardware purchase.. see where I'm going with this?

    If they want the TCO, then they can get that by adding in the man hours, but I know for a fact that teachers and students were lining up for a chance to work on Big Mac.. So, free (happy) labor and 5.2 million for the hardware..

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    True Cost

    Ok... so its more than $5.2 million... the next highest supercomputer is ASCI, at Los Alamos... worth $200 million... does this CNET person think that the 3 or 4 weeks of volunteer hours is worth $196 million?

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    $5.2M for Macs ONLY

    The 5.2 million dollar cost has been advertised as being for the computers and high-speed networking cards ONLY!

    NEVER has the complete cost of the installation been factored in, which I believe included a new building, racks cables, air conditioning, etc.. And, yes, labor.

    C|Net is the sour grapes network. They'll put a negative spin on ANY sort of Macintosh news if they can. Otherwise they won't mention it.

  1. MacNN.com Reader

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    Why is it

    that every time anyone announces something good about macs, a million other people jump up and say NO! THATS NOT TRUE! THEY FUDGED THE NUMBERS! its really starting to get sickening

  1. MacNN.com Reader

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    Ridiculous

    There isn't even an author listed or anyway to send comments to cnet. Very questionable.

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    the Nice thing...

    ... about macs is people who use them LIKE working with them. it's not hard to get vollenteers to set up Mac labs - my brother and I usually need only call people to have 10 hands for setting up large (50+) systems. And they do it just to enjoy playing with the equipment and setting it up.

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    The author is....

    ...none other than Paul Thurott. This story is three days old. Why does anyone pay attention to this loser? he's just as bad as Dvorak, Enderle, and every other MS lackey in the press these days.

    The guys at VT who built the Big Mac are a heck of a lot more credible than this jerk.

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    Payola booster

    Absolutely incredible "logic." The cost that the University incurred was $5.2 million. That's just PR, because they "had a lot of volunteers." And of course, in the real world, a corporate customer would be overjoyed to spend kajillions on consultants and other hangers-on. If that's actually true, and not just some leech on corporate consultant welfare, then corporations need their heads examined.

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    That's what grad student

    are for. Cheap, nearly free, labor.

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    Give them what they want

    Ok...Apple and Virginia should go ahead and include all those other numbers INCLUDING the cost of the new building, it still would cost less than the 200 Million that the next fastest computer would cost. Heck...it would cost less than the next 3 slower computers.

    Do you really think the 200 Million dollar number on the next computer up included all of the hours, infrastructure, and building costs? I seriously doubt it.

    And so what if it is being used for Education. From what I've seen the educational institutions put far more load on their computer systems than most major corporations.


    THIS GUY NEEDS TO STOP WRITING!

    This also proves that all you need is an internet connection to call yourself an analyst, or editor, or whatever. I am now the crown prince of Cincinnati.

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