then it shouldn't come as a shock to do with HP... besides, they have one common enemy: Dell.

Its not like they're handing HP a free ride. By helping them create an iPod based product, they could essentially be licensing IP to have a steady source of iPod related revenue without the manufacturing costs. Besides, someone else had to pick up FairplayAAC. I'm not its no one too competitive. And HP hand in hand with Apple means one less music store out there.

it sounds to me that apple will simply replace the apple logo with a HP logo. HP will probably get a small cut of the sale. most of the proceeds will go to apple. this cuts out an competition from HP.

this news is just RIPE to have 10-15 pages worth of complaints.

Okay, Apple!
Brilliant.

With HP bonding with Apple, not only will we Mac users have more choices for a non Apple perpherial for ourselves, this also means that more and more PCs are stepping up to our level or hardware requirements (6 pin firewire... unless HP opts for USB 2 connections). I think this is a great move for HP and Apple... now if only HP would help Apple make a PDA.

Jobs should have salsa'd with Fiorina during the keynote to announce this partnership. Not sure how HP fares in sales vs Dell but nonetheless, more exposure is still a good thing.

Great move. HP provides guaranteed pre-installed iTMS on the Windose platform!
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http://homepage.mac.com/johnhood

5 years from now, this day will go down in history as the beginning of the end. HP, bouyed by the success of this and future ventures with Apple, will annouce a takeover bid to buy Apple. Apple's Board of Directors will be forced to concede, and OS X will almost immediately be released on intel machines and h*** will freeze over.

This is great news. My concern was that when M$ offered it's brand of Music Store it would have the same atvantages iTunes has on the Mac. But since a major PC manufacturer going to do this then some of the bite will be taken out of it. Nice.

My first reaction to this story, which I saw outside of MacNN was ... "What the...?" The article is somewhat confusing in its details, and I've read one article saying the HPod (or whatever) will be released in the Spring and one that said it would be released in the Summer. Also, what does "competitively priced" mean? The HPod will be cheaper than and yet somehow the same as an iPod?? Or..??

Certainly it will be good to have iTunes/ITMS on all HPs.

Overall, I'm pretty sure Apple knows what it is doing, so I'm not worried. But the whole story is just kind of odd.

Up nearly 5% so far today and climbing.

For the dumbasses who are talking about buyouts... this anouncement only makes Apple more expensive to buyout....

This is exactly the kind of deals Apple needs to make with PC makers. I never imagined the day when I'd see a Wintel PC shipping _from_ the manufacturer with APPLE software installed!! Incredible!

This paves the way for other PC makers to include other Apple sofware, particularlly Quicktime, on their machines with the whole Real vs. Microsoft thing heating up...This gotta affect Microsoft...

I still can't believe that a Wintel company choose Apple software in co-brand instead of what most of the others are doing -- which is co-branding Napster, Real.com Rhapsody, etc

...WASH...EYES.....REPEATEDLY....

EEEWEEEWEEWEEEWEEW!!

hPod?

Think of this as Apple playing Microsoft's game:

Get the PC-manufactures to make the cheap hardware and live of the steady revenue stream from the OS/Software...

This is a great strategy. It also shuts up all the analysts thinking that the iPod is just a repetition of Apple's previous mistakes (closed system based on proprietary software interacting with proprietary hardware)

This is better than OS X on Intel....this is the return of the clones (iPod clones instead of Mac clones this time around)

/M

This move is a DECLARATION OF WAR against MS and WMA.

Apple has AOL, Real and now HP on its side, Microsoft has Wal-Mart and the shithead vendors on its side.

Get good seats, kids. This is gonna get ugly.

comes quicktime. So, the battle has already begun!!!

Luke; HP is going to make iPods.

Anyone but HP... Sorry, but when I worked for the University, an eddict was issued that only HP printers could be purchased. Worst pieces of c*** ever. The laser printers and inkjets... Highest maintenance of any printers on campus. Each office ended up needing at least 2 printers because one of the 2 would always be in the electronic repair center. The lack of quality I expect of any iPod clones HP manufactures will stain the entire iPod family.

I need to go under my desk and cry now.

"and h*** will freeze over..."

I thought it already did when iTMS for Windows came out?

This is great, and completely unexpected. The fact that it is unexpected doesn't say good things about Apple's mindset, but at least things are changing.

I'm sure there will be a handful of fanboy idiots trying to stuff Apple back in the niche, complaining about their "Lexus-like" mp3 players having an HP logo on them. But in the end they mindlessly support anything Apple does, so in a few months they will have rationalized it to the point where they can claim they supported this all along. Then everyone will be happy! :)

First, Apple links with a computer maker to essentially make their digital music players for them, using a standard that the ipod doesn't use. That would equal more brand exposure. How can that be anything but a plus?
Second, with this partnership, HP clearly sees itself as a foe to Microsoft and it's still-in-their-dreams music store. If anything, this spikes the HP/M$ fued, which, again, is good for Apple. I think this is a partnership to head off Microsoft's steam. Both companies despise Microsoft. (IMHO)
-D.

Surprised Steve didn't mention this in his Keynote, but then again that would have stolen HP's thunder at CES.

Anything that gets Apple's products and services in front of more and more consumers is better. The reason a lot of people don't buy Mac's is because they've had no experience with them. No one they know has one and they've never really been exposed to anything else - especially if they use a PC at work.

iTMS gets consumers used to the look and feel of Apple. "Wow, iTunes is so easy to use. And Apple makes it?" Now, it's not a huge stretch for someone to visit apple.com or a retail store and learn more. "I've used iTunes on my PC. Is can I do the same stuff with Photos and I want to get into making movies..."

Let the dominos fall

Some of you don't seem to understand what happened here.

On the small scale, Apple is now selling more iPods. Apple will either make iPods for HP to sell, sortof a rebranded reseller agreement, or HP will make them to Apple's specs (less likely). Either way, you can bet that each hPod sold will make Apple almost as much money as each iPod sold, or they wouldn't do it.

On the medium scale, Apple now has their software on all kinds of computers. This means more people buying iPods, and not all of the people with HPs will buy the HP iPod. This sells more songs, more iPods, and improves Apple's brand image as the premium producer of digital music technology.

On the widest scale, this is even bigger. This is what I meant when I said the battle lines are drawn. Yesterday, everybody was working out how to compete with Apple. That meant a lot of competition for Apple. Now, Apple is telling potential competitors that there is a better way-- They can join Apple, and make money too. The iPod just went from being the best product in the market, to a *platform*.

This is a LOT bigger than most of you could ever suspect. The whole Apple/Music thing was starting to look exactly like way back when they refused to even consider licensing; we all know they handed the keys to that kingdom to Redmond and Redmond never looked back.

Cupertino established this little island with iTMS, the Pod and Fairplay AAC. Doesn't allow you to purchase wma protected audio, doesn't work on a Pod. NOW, they aren't quite as much of an island.

And before you start spouting marketshare, just remember way back when Macs DID have a lot of marketshare; they lost it all by being pigs and wanting to only play in their own sandbox.

But they STILL should at least jigger Pods to play music bought from other "stores." That will only help to sell Pods, which is where the money is.

ANYTHING that helps strengthen apple is good news.
one day a pc user is buying an "hPod", the next day, a mac.

apple NEEDS to get out there more, and this is a great opportunity.
we all need apple to do well, so we can continue to buy the computers we want...macs.

I might be mistaken, but last time I heard news about hostile takeover the analysis is that Apple, with over $4 billion cash on hand, has enough resources to prevent a hostile bid from ANY company.

If HP gets interested in Apple, and Apple's board and investors approve a buyout, then that's another story.

And a merger (IMHO) from h***.

Let' not forget that this is only possible because of the settlement in the MS/monopoly case. I'll be the first to complain that the settlement was less than a slap on the wrist, but one thing it did do was to open up the Windows Desktop to competitive products.

Without that agreement, MS simply would not allow HP to put an ITMS icon on the desktop, and would probably require that they did put an MSMS icon there.

This means more profits for Apple, more liquid assets, more R&D dollars and greater market share for iTMS and iPod. This is the best way to secure the future of Apple. This will keep Mac users in hot new Macs for years and will expand the market for Apple products beyond the niche of rabid Mac fans.
Apple is cool now and it just keeps getting cooler.
HP also displayed today 30" and 42" plasma displays. I wonder if Apple will be getting any of those?

Not sure how to react to this one...

I think it's great that iTunes and QuickTime will get some pre-installed goodness on HP equipment. As a QuickTime developer, I love the prospect of more copies of QuickTime and iTunes being installed on Wintel PCs.

But I've also experianced some of the same quality issues as Luke up there in a previous post. Will a hPod help or hurt? If it's just a rebranded mini w/ diffrent storage options (mini seems to use diffrent software version - not suporting belkins accessories) it may be a good deal for Apple. But if HP is designing and building the hPods...sigh. Apple's stock is up so someone must think this is a good idea...

Idiots? You have to be kidding me. The iPod is bringing in tons of cash to Apple, and strengthening an already rock solid brand name - plus drawing PC users into the Apple stores that are everywhere now. What a great strategy ... and the HP deal further legitimizes iPod and iTunes on PC, and gives Apple another way to battle Dell and Microsoft as they continue to develop competing products.

WinExposé bears striking resemblance to Apple's Exposé
January 8 - 14:44 EST   A Windows software developer has launched a new product that appears to be a blatant copy of Apple'sExposé, the new feature found in Mac OS X 10.3 Panther that allows you to instantly see all open windows at once with a single keystroke. WinExposé, priced at US$9.95, not only sports a similar name but also appears to offer identical features. "A keyboard shortcut or moving the mouse to a screen hot-spot shows all windows, whether open or minimised, in a tiled display of scaled images," reads the description for the software. "Click on the one you want to work on and it is immediately brought to the front, in the same size as when you last used it, ready for use. You can also minimise all windows, leaving a clear desktop or just display scaled images of the windows that are from the application you are currently working on."[Thanks to Frank Piccolo for this

All the HP printers I have had, now have, or use elsewhere have been physically solid and long lasting without minatenance problems. There are SW problems with drivers etc, but HW wise they have been fine.

I've had many HP printers and they are the best on the market.
HP 1220cse wide format printer is one of the best ever! It is quiet, fast, and produces superior results at the price paid ($300).

I also have a Canon piece of s*** I got for $25 from a wholesale club that I am only happy with because I consider it disposable. The ink that came with it is worth more than the printer. To replace the ink, it would be cheaper to just toss the printer and
buy another.

What a joke.
HP makes good hardware, and I think you all who knock them have
them confused with COMPAQ (Compcrap) and all the other S*****
hardware manufacturers out there. IBM is the only PC brand that
I really respect for laptops. Maybe Toshiba.

Sorry for the tangent.
I'm happy to hear about this news, and am eager to see what is
in the future.

" btw, i think apple's doing a great job making computers.... if you disagree... go buy a win/linux machine and stfu. "

MAKE me, jerk.

And buy an MDD G4 sometime and THEN tell me how great ALL Apple computers are. I'm getting a G5 next time they get upgraded.

"The iPod is bringing in tons of cash to Apple"

So would selling crack. Your point is...?

"MAKE me, jerk."

Make you jerk? (Not touching that one, but funny.)

"buy an MDD G4... ALL Apple computers are... G5... upgrade."

I think you still got a better deal than any win/linux box, so stfu.

Well, I'm the fist one who replied to Luke.. I love the iTunes/QuickTime on HP, but am concerned re: quality.

I know almost as many people that love HPs printers as hate them. The majority of my experiance w/ poor quality printers is from the 4si/4m/4mv period. The model that printed to tabloid (don't remember which of the ones that was anymore) was the worst offender.. as Luke said, more time in the repair center than the desk... They may be better now.

I know just as many people that swear by HP printers, shrug.

I guess that's the issue. When HP does quality work, it's great. But when they drop the ball, it's *rap... I think Steve will have had the forsight to protect the iPod brand by placing tight controls on the hPod design and construction. Ok, I *hope* that Steve has had the forsight to place tight controls. :-)

I'm going to look for Luke under his desk and tell him it'll be ok :-) Repeat after me; Steve's too annal to let HP f*ck up the iPod brand...

In terms of HP, Apple and Dell -

Is the enemy of my enemy my freind?

Looks like we'll be seeing the HiPod soon (I like it better than hPod; cross beween HP and iPod...)

It has already been stated in official announcements that the HP iPod will...

- Be manufactured by Apple
- Run Apple iPod software (with the Apple logo)
- Be iPod 3G compatible
- Not be called an iPod
- Come in blue

This is the first licensed non-Apple iTMS portable media player.

No doubt agreement calls for either a closely priced product. Or discounts only when bundling with a new computer.

This is a fantastic move by Apple. More than a decade ago Apple made a grave strategic mistake by not licensing its operating system and as a result Apple's OS got isolated with an ever decreasing market share.

But now they are not repeating that mistake. Indeed they are doing just the right thing. This will increase Apple's mindshare, which will help all other departments at Apple.

"first thing I will do is delete the fricking iTMS c***. "

You're so right, these colors would most definitely clash with the rest of the genuine c*** on your desk that you're not embarrassed to call a computer. Jeeesh.

"first thing I will do is delete the fricking iTMS c***."

Why stop there? Why not just reformat your hard drive?
And then again, continue to use the three most important windows keyboard shortcut, CTRL-ALT-DEL.

I'll take a gray-black-plastic computer please, with an OS that constantly keeps track of everything I do by loading spyware, hidden files, and making it near impossible to completely delete anything I may or may not have loaded. Oh and don't hold the viruses or worms ok? I like them. Do they come preloaded? Gosh I hope so, as I don't really think I have the energy to load anything let alone think for myself. You'll have to also install alll the drivers and make certain nothing is in conflict with anything else I may want to hook up to my computer. Do I want that extended warranty? NAH, I'll just call DELL 24/7 support in ASIA/INDIA and speak to someone that may know a few words of english.

THANKS!
PC users, are just plain and slow.

Overrated and overpriced.

Their inkjets are way overpriced and overrated. Constantly have the highest cost per page of all them, except Lexmark.

Their lasers are just rebadged Canon engines, nothing special there.

I typically stick with Canon and Epson and have some great inkjet and lasers. I take the savings to the bank on every page printed....

To the moron with the $25 Canon. The wife has the $30 Canon and the print is fantastic. Sure it's cheap as dirt, but what do you want for $30. Quality and cheap are mutually exclusive!

This is some great news for Apple. Man the draw bridge, here comes the iPod Horse!

The link to HP is a big coup for Apple, which has become the leading player in the locked music business. So far, the company has sold 30 million infected songs via iTunes. Now, it will have one of the world's largest consumer PC sellers on its side as well.

HP, a big Microsoft Media Center PC backer, is playing both sides of the field with move. The company will givers users DRM in any form they desire. Or don't desire, for that matter

I didn't say it was a $25 dollar Canon, I said I paid $25 for the printer. It was originally a $75 printer, and I bought it because it was such a great deal. Prints like s***, but for B&W it was worth it and I'll probably toss it in the garbage when done with it.

My main printer is an HP1220cse and it is by far the best inkjet wideformat printer I've ever used for the price. ($300).

You are the moron.
Quality and Cheap are mutually exclusive?
How dare you talk about your wife like that!

Maybe it will make microsoft so mad, that they will do the same as they do with the X-Box and sell their music at a big loss, just so everyone converts to their format...thus giving the consumer even cheaper music! Heaven knows they could do it if they want to. They have boatloads of cash that apple only dares to dream they had...

I wish we had one of those crappy HPs at work that break all the time. Unfortunately our HP LJ 4 still works 8+ years after we got it. So there's no way to convince the bosses to get a new one.

How you all can complain about this is just ridiculous. Last week everyone's crying because Apple uses a 'closed' standard and is the only one supporting AAC and Fair play and all that. Hey, now there's two 'manufacturers' that support it. But you complain because its not who you wanted? Or what? I'm sure if they announced a deal with RIO you'd be whining because you hate their players too.

Reading some of the stuff you all write is just hilarious. Why does Microsoft make office for the mac? why does hp and sony make hardware that works with our macs? Hello, I really hope none of you have plans to run a business some day.

GS

"American Children"

Take a shower/bath, because you stink.

Some people were born to complain about everything. If you've ever worked in the customer service arena you know what I mean. I'm having too much fun with my Mac and the iPod I got for christmas to pay attention to complainers.

This is great news. Apple is always reported to have incredible brand recognition. Maybe it's time to start using it. A HP music player that displays the Apple logo when it starts up. WOW!

HP has manufacturing capabilty. They have expertise in flash memory technology.

There wont be a $100 buck apple ipod but there might be an HP one

Flash memory is more money than that.
How will that help those of us that want the Apple iPod for under $100? I don't run Winblows.

I believe the word is that it will not carry the iPod name. I find it interesting that HP already has a PDA name iPAQ. What will they call their digital music player? HiPod? iRAQ? (scratch that), iCompod? Another interesting note is HP uses "invent" as their tagline. In this case, it should be "borrow".

Holy Puke Batman! / nah
Holy Piss Batman! / nah
Holy Pod Batman! / nah
Holy Poseur! Batman!

The HiPod !!

Catchy, right??

(it would never fly, but I thought it was cute..)

DV

Panasonic has several AV players which support AAC (e.g., sv-av10, sv-av20, sv-av30, sv-sd50, sv-sd80, sv-sr100). Does anyone know if they work with FairPlay and iTunes (or workaround by manually drag-n-drop files)?

Hey - HP was smart enough to hire Alan Kay - arguably one of the brightest guys ever to work at Apple. Looks like they know a good thing when they see it - in this case an established working solution for digital music. HP has recently been a close second to Apple in their ability to package products with an edge, simplicity, and proven technology. Their digital photography and networking ads show that they 'get' it. They have the one thing I wish Apple had thought of - the AIO ability to print a proof sheet and re-scan the check-boxed proof to select the pics you want printed. iPhoto needs a feature like that.

Contrast that with the creaky animatronic Office 2004 demos the other day at MWSF - everyone's getting damp because excel can finally show you what your chart's going to look like on an actual piece of paper, and then can fix the same problem with what Appleworks has been able to do in three keystrokes since version 3... Then there's the MS cubicle-drones-as-allstars ads. Sheesh.

Someone once said, "People who know how to do thiungs will always be working for people who know why to do things."

Bill knows how but never quite gets 'why', Steve knows why AND how, Carly seems also to know why and how.

"I didn't say it was a $25 dollar Canon, I said I paid $25 for the printer. It was originally a $75 printer, and I bought it because it was such a great deal. Prints like s***, but for B&W it was worth it and I'll probably toss it in the garbage when done with it. "

Maybe you need your eyes checked. The $29 Canon prints beautifully, as does my i960. Text and graphics. Even my Epson 880 prints awesome with 3rd party inks.

"My main printer is an HP1220cse and it is by far the best inkjet wideformat printer I've ever used for the price. ($300)."

You really need your eyes checked. We have them at work and they print like s***. Again, my Epson 880 with 3rd party inks blows that POS out of the water. The only thing good about them is that they print on ledger paper. The quality definitely is not that hot.

"You are the moron."

Don't think so. Been around computers pretty much forever.

"Quality and Cheap are mutually exclusive?
How dare you talk about your wife like that!"

Hardly. If you had a brain, you'd know you that quality costs. Costs more to make, more to sell, and more to develop. You can't expect quality on the cheap.

Finally, Apple has learned to fly and leave its little island.

Yeah but your $29 printer is awesom but the $300 printer sucks...

You know what?
I've been around computers forever, mostly PC and then switched.
I also know, you suck.

Now f*** off.

What the h*** is with all the people calling each other morons, idiots, etc. and swearing at each other? It's an opinion about a computer product. Get over it.

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the winds of change

This is a great idea, its an HP branded iPod.

This means apple make money on everyone and all HP computers come pre installed with Quicktime!

This will drasticly increase the number of Quicktime users, and people buying tracks from the iTMS.

Could work. If it has better pricing than the iPod, though...

More iTMS traffic is always good, though.

no one is going to buy a hPod. this is a brilliant ploy by Apple. embrace, extend and extinguish.

hPods are going to be really ugly. i bet they look like a gray club foot with a cyst.

This, folks, is a great example of inanity and too much time at hand.

Why don't you read all the posts?
Apple will be making (and selling to hp) these "hPods". For each hPod that is sold to an hp customer *regardless* of how cheap hp decides to sell them, will generate revenue for Apple.

So someone tell me. HOW can this be a bad move for Apple?

" Yeah but your $29 printer is awesom but the $300 printer sucks..."

The $300 printer is a POS. Fact is that you overpaid for a POS and mainly for the HP name. The fact that a $29 printer can even print remotely close to the $300 HP speaks volumes about the lack of quality of that HP.

Also, I mainly compared it to my $199 i960 and my $80 Epson 880.... The $29 printer was an extreme surprise for me - I was not expecting much.

"You know what?
I've been around computers forever, mostly PC and then switched."

Me too. And I know HP sucks.

Printer print on 19" wide format photo quality paper?
Mine does, and it does it very well. I guess you don't know what the f*** you are doing.

"I was not expecting much."
Yeah, that is how I feel about your posts, I don't expect much.

" Printer print on 19" wide format photo quality paper?
Mine does, and it does it very well. I guess you don't know what the f*** you are doing."

And if you had a brain, you would never use that printer for photo printing. 4 colors does not equal a good quality photo. You need at least a 6 color printer to get true photo quality from an inkjet. Even the best 4 colors still show dithering on skintones and skies.

I really think you need your eyes checked if you think that HP 12xxcse prints good photos. No 3 year old 4 color printer will do that.

Even HP figured that out by now - their new printers are 6-8 color printers.

STFU before you look like more of a clueless a******.

Did I say I printed PHOTOS on the paper?
I do LOGO and Design work A******.

READ BETTER YOU BLIND f***.

This reader for one thinks this name calling has gotten out of hand and think the person who is happy with their HP 1220 printer uses it for proofing which it probably does very well. After this they most likely go to the printer and if necessary use only 4 color process or even 2 color as necessary and any client's budge allows. It is rare that one would go to 6 or 8 color as this increases expense greatly. Do you think your home-based 6/8 color printer can do what the commercial printer could? The guy uses the thing like I do, I'm certain; a proof printer prior to going into production. One cannot go into production by using the home-based 6/8 color printer, as the cost per page would not be worth it.

Also, I forgot to mention one more thing. You seem to read into things that are not really there. The poster never said they used the printer for photos, that was something you added to make your point, so I would suggest that you do the following.

READ BETTER YOU BLIND ****.

Seems to me you're the clueless one here. The age of an inkjet proofer bears little importance to its capabilities as long as you have a properly-calibrated colour management workflow. Your 6-colour HP printout is useless to an offset printer if you can't calibrate your system to match theirs (as in the case of most, if not all, of home users out there).

They have boatloads of cash that apple only dares to dream they had...

make that "boatloads of cash that many countries only dare to dream they had..." and you will have summed up microsofts reserves quite nicely.

Hey assmunch:
"Did I say I printed PHOTOS on the paper?
I do LOGO and Design work A******"

You said you used PHOTO QUALITY PAPER.
Here it is for your blind, senile eyes:

"Printer print on 19" wide format photo quality paper?
Mine does, and it does it very well."

What the h*** would you print logos on photo quality paper for? It's meant for PHOTOS, not LOGOS. You could, but it's as pointless as printing out a report on photo paper!

You'd probably want to print out on Matte paper or maybe some satin stuff, but NOT PHOTO QUALITY PAPER. In either case, you'd want a paper that closely matches your client's use (ie - matte paper for letterhead).

I could see using photo paper for proofs of glossy stuff, but if you're going that far, you want a 6 color printer so the gradients look better than the dithered mess of a 4 color printer.

But, you're probably such a piss poor designer that it doesn't matter much what you use - it's all going to look like garbage anyway.

Oh well, I'm done with this thread.

Uhm. Photo quality paper means just that, A******.
If you want to read into that by saying I print photos, that is your problem. Also, didn't say glossy, flat, or otherwise patterned paper. Since you are so interested, I use flat photo quality paper.

One more point, designers do actually work beyond letterhead! such as banners, signage, etc., and my clients in particular would like to see what their logos look like on GLASS, a**.

You want to attack someone by not seeing their work first?, that's fine as it probably says more about you that proves my point. My LOGOS come out superb with 4 color thanks!

Buh-by!

Why do you allow these trolls to lead you into these pointless arguments. If this scenario played it self out on the street would you waste your time arguing with him?.

I see a lot of asses flying around this forum.
What was this forum all about?
Ah yes..

HiPods!

No wonder!

The iPod mini is overpriced from Apple, because HP will sell blue ones for $199. Suddenly it all makes sense!

The iPod mini is overpriced from Apple because HP will be selling blue ones for $199. Suddenly it all makes sense.

WHAT?

Post 98

Post 99

I just want to send out a big FU to all you Winlose users out there.

Apple and HP announce a exclusive deal to bundle iChat AV/PC on every system and HP will offer bundled system options with a hPod and a iSight (hSight) options, of course these systems should come with Firewire as standard equipment right along side USB2. This would really put a significant dent in Intels USB2 steamroller.

Of course Quicktime, iTunes would also be installed on these systems by default as well.

Apples consumer mindshare would go through the roof once the sheep get a taste of Apples online music as well as it's consumer oriented video conferencing ... made simple the Apple way.

You should work for Apple, or do you already? Good thoughts.

it was bound to happen, apple has sold out to the masses. what was once a diehard fandbase has turned to typical joe schmoe consumers. all the posers who buy stuff because it looks cool. we bought our macs because they performed better and because of usability issues, looking good was just a feature that came with the mac. next time you watch a commercial and see a pepsi next to an imac, or an HP friendly ipod, throw something at the T.V. it wont happen because it will be yours, but shout "what the &^%^!

people who dont know jack buy ipods and download music from the itunes shop, i dont care how much songs cost. i simply wont buy any, back in the day people recorded songs right off the radio on their cassette radios, was the music industry making a big deal then, 3 friends of mine have had to return their ipods because of malfunctions. dont be phoney.