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iPhoto 4 features larger, smarter album support

updated 03:10 pm EST, Tue January 6, 2004

iPhoto 4 released

, which only available as part of iLife '04. It lets users scroll through and resize up to 25,000 photos in seconds and also features new time-based photo organization and Smart Albums to automatically organizes photos based on date, keyword or the user's own rating. iPhoto also includes new slideshows, with cinematic transitions and controls for rotating, rating and deleting photos on-the-fly. It also offers simple Rendezvous photo sharing for sharing albums between computers across home networks. It will ship on January 16 as part of iLife '04.

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No download

So much for iPhoto being free...

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01/06, 03:47pm | report spam | close Reply |
good bye iphoto

I think iphoto for free is over. So now I can switch to applications that offer more: iview mediapro, adobe photoshop elements.

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Panther?

Does Panther now include the updated versions of iPhoto, iMovie, iDVD? It would be silly to have someone upgrade to Panther with a set of applications that are already obsolete.

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Not free?

Seeing as the current version of iPhoto doesn't work worth a damn with more than a few hundred photos, I feel that Apple should give me the upgrade for free. Wasn't one of the the big reasons for buying a Mac the awesome iApps that come BUNDLED with the computer?! First Mac.com, now the iApps - next thing Apple will charge me when I wipe my iAss!

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I only hope...

iPhoto 04 manages image files the way iTunes does. If it still organizes files by date and labels all files with crypic names, creating aliases for each image in the process, iPhoto will remain as useless to me as it is now.

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A fine whine.

You don't like iPhoto? Don't use it!

This is troll territory, I fear.

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01/06, 06:32pm | report spam | close Reply |
upgrade pricing?

Is there upgrade pricing for current iLife customers?

I think if you purchased hardware or Pather within the last 6months they should charge either EDU pricing or $19.99 for the upgrade or some sort of discount.

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Hmf.

iPhoto 3 was really unusable. Apple should make this a free update, like 10.1 was to the unusable 10.2, and then start charging from there on.

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Re: A fine whine

"You don't like iPhoto? Don't use it!

This is troll territory, I fear. "

Yes - and the troll is you. With your absurd reductionist argument, you have completely eliminated the role of the consumer in driving the marketplace. When consumers complain and ask for more and better apps, the suppliers (read - Apple) often respond in kind. Sit back, say nothing and get nothing - good idea, right?!

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"Yes - and the troll is you. With your absurd reductionist argument..."

Whoa, I didn't know I was a reductionist. Do you often make up words to serve your purposes?

I simply was saying that people whining about paying for an amazing app like iPhoto is stupid. It's worth the price to upgrade.

BTW, I've complained to Apple many times about various issues...but not in this forum. This is the wrong place. Obviously you just like to b****.

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Reductionist is a made up word? Ha! Are you trying to PROVE your ignorance (even more than you already have)? Please, buy a dictionary:

re�duc�tion�ism (n) - An attempt or tendency to explain a complex set of facts, entities, phenomena, or structures by another, simpler set

reductionist (adj) - of or relating to the theory of reductionism; "reductionist arguments"

As you'll notice, I called your argument reductionist - not you (a subtlety lost on you, I'm sure). Your argument sounds a lot like: "Hey buddy, if you don't like the polluted air, just don't breathe it!" (Hyperbole for sure, but you get the point...or do you?)

Who are you to decide whether another consumer's complaint about a malfunctioning product is 'stupid' or not? Maybe it is worth it for YOU to pay for an upgrade to a broken product, but don't force your opinion on others. Your insistence that only your way is the right way is a sure sign of a weak intellect.

Why is this forum the wrong place to voice an opinion? Don't you think Apple pays people to patrol these posts? What makes you think that this is the ONLY place where complaints and opinions will be expressed? Perhaps Apple has already been contacted or soon will be � do you know?

It seems like YOU are the one who likes to b**** about others voicing legitimate complaints in an open forum. Again - the troll is YOU!

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OMG

Geez.This is exactly one proper place to complain. It is a discussion forum for Apple products and this thread is about iPhoto. We are perfectly entitled to say whatever we want here.

Personally I think iPhoto 04 is going to be great. $49 is not much and remember that is still will be free for new Mac buyers. But what I dont like is that Apple acts like Walmart. First they offer a free product good enough to kill small companies from growing. Then they reach monopoly and start charging money. Clever, calculating capitalism. I like Apple to make money but this is not good practice if they want to keep bragging about the growing number of native OS X apps.

If this trend continues we will only have Apple, Microsoft, and Adobe making large-market Mac apps. And how much will we have to pay for next-generation Sherlock, Safari, Preview, TextEdit, Stickies, Font Book, iCal, Mail....

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$50 for iPhoto

Since I don't have any interest in the other iLife apps, I guess I'll stick with my current version of iPhoto.

Sucks that they pulled the free download of the older version too.

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Old version

The old version is still freakin' available, you morons. Go to the Apple software page, click "Downloads", hey, there you go. Do a search. I found it in like 10 seconds. They just removed the link from the main page (which makes sense because people would probably think its the latest version and be complaining when it downloaded the older version).

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back to the whiner...

>>Who are you to decide whether another consumer's complaint about a malfunctioning product is 'stupid' or not?

Has postmodernism so permeated ALL men's minds?

>>Your argument sounds a lot like: "Hey buddy, if you don't like the polluted air, just don't breathe it!"

Syntactical similarity does not equate logical similarity. iPhoto is a matter of preference, not necessity. You should have said: "Hey buddy, if you don't like the polluted air, move out of NYC, and over to Iowa!"

>>Your insistence that only your way is the right way is a sure sign of a weak intellect.

But what if my way were the authoritative way? What would be right then? You fail to see that your subject's view is not based upon subjective bais. It is far more objective than your all too acceptable ad hominem attacks. (is my spelling right?)

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Re: back to the whiner...

>>Has postmodernism so permeated ALL men's minds?

Postmodernism - please, use your 'big' words in context. Is your point that complaining about another's complaint is somehow postmodern? What IS your point here � do you have one?

>>Syntactical similarity does not equate logical similarity...

Did you miss the side statement about hyperbole, or did you just not understand it?

>>But what if my way were the authoritative way?

Would that be your subjectively biased interpretation that it is 'the authoritative way'? Yes - I think so.

Calling someone a 'moron' or 'stupid' is an Ad Hominem attack - saying that someone has no basis for making a statement or for trying to silence the opinions of others is not. Those who seek to silence the opinions of others often do so because it is a threat to their own fragile world view - their intellect is often too limited to process complex thoughts and accept the conflicting opinion of others, so they tell others to 'shut up'. I guess that's OK for Bill O'Reilly, but it doesn't sit well with me.

Back to the point at hand - Apple gave away a poorly functioning product that was advertised as a value added reason to purchase/switch to the Mac platform - it did not work as advertised. Now they want to charge to get a working version of the app (can we assume that it will work?), after they have effectively driven out the competition. Did you notice that Adobe DOESN'T make Photoshop Album for Mac? It is a much better app than iPhoto, but it is only available for PC. Why? Because iPhoto was free and most Mac users would not have paid for it (althought they might now if it were available). Now that Apple wants to charge for iPhoto, there are no really good alternatives out there (iView not withstanding...)

Is a complaint about a bad situation really whining, or is that just your biased interpretation?

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...if that is what you want to dub me.

(So you don't like O'reilly either? interesting that you and I don't get along better, and that you sound so much like him. Listen to him and read your posts. He brilliantly, as do you, stacks his arguements in a rhetorical fashion that "spin's" people's heads in his favor. Hey, tactics are tactics. :)

Speaking of tactics, Apple has the right to do whatever they want in advertising. Considering that so many more of these programs that they have pushed out (and I really don't think that there are all that many) take their cues from iPhoto, why shouldn't Apple push them out? After all, Apple makes the OS. They make the Hardware. Why not let them take over the software if they are doing a good job of it? "But they didn't do a good job with the last iPhoto!" --you say. No? At least they didn't charge for it then! What would the forums have looked like then! I dare not imagine.

A bad situation? No. Just progress. Would you be happier if they never released the new iPhoto? For that matter, would you be happier with Photoshop Album? Go buy a PC. (Hey, did you see that post about PC's being faster! Go for it man!) There is no necessity holding you to the Apple camp. You can always switch back. The difference in folks like you and folks like me (oh, and the original guy who posted and called you a whiner too) is this. We are loyal to a good company, namely Apple, even if we are disappointed with some of their specific decisions. You, apparently are not.

(And please don't claim some higher motivation like "but is it really good for a company to occaisonally make bad decisions..." etc.)

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And I quote (with resolve):

You don't like iPhoto? Don't use it!

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iPhoto 3

Does anyone know where I can get iPhoto 3?

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iPhoto 4 features larger, smarter album support

updated 03:10 pm EST, Tue January 6, 2004

iPhoto 4 released

No download

good bye iphoto

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Not free?

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A fine whine.

upgrade pricing?

Hmf.

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OMG

$50 for iPhoto

Old version

back to the whiner...

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The whiner responds...

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iPhoto 3

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